Good Ole Cbn And The Catholic Chuch...

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 17 2004, 08:39 AM'] I watched the CBN segment yesterday.

Interesting, especially Pat Robertson's intro. He was DEFINATELY uncomfortable ... gave off the appearance of NOT wanting to do this segment, almost as if he was being forced to, and intimidated into doing it....odd in a way. If you know Pat, and I have watched him over the years, the change in body language was obvious.

The Catholic speaker did a very good job, of course, defending the indefensible is a difficult thing, but he did a yoeman's job with it.

AFTER the segment, Pat looked as if he had dodged a bullet from a firing squad...

I wonder who and HOW they pressured him into this segment....? [/quote]
It's a shame you don't know the bible like you should.

Indefensible? No Bruce, only in your little world.

Pay close attention to Revelations - the 144,000 will be virgins - So we can throw out the notion that they will be protestants.


[b]Matt. 19:11-12[/b] - Jesus says celibacy is a gift from God and whoever can bear it should bear it. Jesus praises and recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church. Because celibacy is a gift from God, those who criticize the Church's practice of celibacy are criticizing God and this wonderful gift He bestows on His chosen ones.

[b]Matt. 19:29[/b] - Jesus says that whoever gives up children for the sake of His name will receive a hundred times more and will inherit eternal life. Jesus praises celibacy when it is done for the sake of His kingdom.

[b]Matt. 22:30[/b] - Jesus explains that in heaven there are no marriages. To bring about Jesus' kingdom on earth, priests live the heavenly consecration to God by not taking a wife in marriage. This way, priests are able to focus exclusively on the spiritual family, and not have any additional pressures of the biological family (which is for the vocation of marriage). This also makes it easier for priests to be transferred to different parishes where they are most needed without having to worry about the impact of their transfer on wife and children.

[b]1 Cor 7:7 [/b]- Paul also acknowledges that celibacy is a gift from God and wishes that all were celibate like he is.

[b]1 Cor. 7:32-33, 38 [/b]- Paul recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church so that they are able to focus entirely upon God and building up His kingdom.

[b]1 Tim. 3:2 [/b]- Paul instructs that bishops must be married only once. Many Protestants use this verse to prove that the Church's celibacy law is in error. But they are mistaken because this verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry. The verse also refers to those bishops who were currently married. They also could not remarry (in the Catholic Church's Eastern rite, priests are allowed to marry; celibacy is only a disciplinary rule for the clergy of the Roman rite). Therefore, this text has nothing to do with imposing a marriage requirement on becoming a bishop.

[b]1 Tim. 4:3[/b] - in this verse, Paul refers to deceitful doctrines that forbid marriage. Many non-Catholics also use this verse to impugn the Church's practice of celibacy. This is entirely misguided because the Catholic Church (unlike many Protestant churches) exalts marriage to a sacrament. In fact, marriage is elevated to a sacrament, but consecrated virginity is not. The Church declares marriage sacred, covenantal and lifegiving. Paul is referring to doctrines that forbid marriage and other goods when done outside the teaching of Christ.

[b]1 Tim. 5:9-12[/b] - Paul recommends that older widows take a pledge of celibacy. This was the beginning of women religious orders.

[b]2 Tim. 2:3-4[/b] - Paul instructs his bishop Timothy that no soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim his to satisfy the One who enlisted him. Paul is using an analogy to describe the role of the celibate priesthood in the Church.

[b]Rev. 14:4[/b] - unlike our sinful world of the flesh, in heaven, those consecrated to [b]virginity [/b]are honored.

[b]Isaiah 56:3-7[/b] - the eunuchs who keep God's covenant will have a special place in the kingdom of heaven.

[b]Jer. 16:1-4[/b] - Jeremiah is told by God not to take a wife or have children.




[b]St. Matt 16:18[/b] "[color=red]And so I say to you, you are Peter (Kephas), and upon this rock (Kephas) I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.[/color]"
[b]19 [/b][color=red]I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. [b]Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.[/b][/color]"


"Whatever" - pretty much covers the topic.

I really wish non-Catholics would read the bible.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[annie]

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[quote name='ironmonk' date='Mar 17 2004, 08:45 AM']

I really wish non-Catholics would read the bible.

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LOL


fighting fire with fire eh?

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Mar 17 2004, 07:39 AM'] I watched the CBN segment yesterday.

Interesting, especially Pat Robertson's intro. He was DEFINATELY uncomfortable ... gave off the appearance of NOT wanting to do this segment, almost as if he was being forced to, and intimidated into doing it....odd in a way. If you know Pat, and I have watched him over the years, the change in body language was obvious.

The Catholic speaker did a very good job, of course, defending the indefensible is a difficult thing, but he did a yoeman's job with it.

AFTER the segment, Pat looked as if he had dodged a bullet from a firing squad...

I wonder who and HOW they pressured him into this segment....? [/quote]
Because Pat got a bunch of letters from faithful Catholics who saw the last speaker as nothing but an ignorant liar. Saying such things as "Catholics believe if you sin, any type of sin, you go to hell."

Glad Pat was obligated to invite the guy from Crisis Magazine, Pat gets what he deserves.

[IcePrincessKRS]

lol True dat Paladin!