dominicansoul Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1731454' date='Dec 18 2008, 04:58 PM']As someone who drives a Honda with over 200,000 mi I can assure you that there are more reasonable options than a luxury car if reliability is the issue.[/quote] i was thinking the same thing! My Honda will last forever it seems! I believe they fare better than the best luxury car out there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1731459' date='Dec 18 2008, 03:04 PM']As a Bishop who has lead by example in the most ways, I wish he would do the same in the aspect.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ then instead of publicly accusing your bishop of something nefarious, why not pen a letter or make an appointment to sit and talk with him and find out his reasoning? that, i think, would be a better outlet for your frustration regarding this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='StColette' post='1731456' date='Dec 18 2008, 03:00 PM']btw what do you consider a luxury car?[/quote] +J.M.J.+ i am curious about this as well. again, maybe someone donated the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1731465' date='Dec 18 2008, 06:13 PM']+J.M.J.+ then instead of publicly accusing your bishop of something nefarious, why not pen a letter or make an appointment to sit and talk with him and find out his reasoning? that, i think, would be a better outlet for your frustration regarding this issue.[/quote] I made sure that this was not a public accusation by not naming him or my diocese. I was looking for imput from the broadest group of faithful Catholics I could think of. I know him personally and feel uncomfortable and unworthy of "accusing" him of anything. I was curious to see if anyone felt that my frustrations were valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='StColette' post='1731456' date='Dec 18 2008, 06:00 PM']btw what do you consider a luxury car?[/quote] It is a mercedes. I am unsure of the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1731459' date='Dec 18 2008, 05:04 PM']I think it would be an appropriate and beautiful act of solidarity with the poor of our dicoese and the larger Church if all of us would live modestly and simply.[/quote] I know lots of very good families who live in wealthier neighborhoods because of the safety issues that are huge problems in the not so wealthy neighborhoods. Micah and I stopped from getting a cheaper apartment and opted for a more expensive one because it wasn't surrounded by sex offenders and child abusers. These families live in wealthier neighborhoods but they don't live extravagant lifestyles. Living in a nice safe neighborhood does not make one extravagant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1731467' date='Dec 18 2008, 05:14 PM']+J.M.J.+ i am curious about this as well. again, maybe someone donated the car?[/quote] when Pope Paul VI gave Mother Theresa of Calcutta a white limousine, she never ever took a ride in it, she quickly organized a raffle and used the proceeds to help the poor. I think it would be nice if every religious could do the same when they receive over the top, luxurious gifts... the limo story makes me laugh, because it came from the Pope! Can you imagine what Mother Theresa must have been thinking? "What am I going to do with a limousine, Your Holiness?" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Offer it up. I've had to do it with bishops before (I tend to get reputations as a troublemaker). It doesn't make me feel better but somewhere the aching knees and fingers from all the extra rosaries have to have done someone somewhere some good somehow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1731470' date='Dec 18 2008, 05:16 PM']I made sure that this was not a public accusation by not naming him or my diocese. I was looking for imput from the broadest group of faithful Catholics I could think of. I know him personally and feel uncomfortable and unworthy of "accusing" him of anything. I was curious to see if anyone felt that my frustrations were valid.[/quote] I think they are. While I understand that there could be legitimate reasons for having a mansion, nice cars, etc.....I think the bishops who have this lifestyle, make themselves ripe targets for non-Catholics. It gets annoying when others outside the Catholic Church see bishops in a fancy car or fancy house, come to the conclusion that the Magisterium is all about money and power... We need bishops with the attitude of St. John Vianney. Something along those lines. Don't get me wrong. I do greatly respect our bishops and like the direction they seem to be taking the Church. If they tried to simplify a bit though, I think they would have greater effect in their teachings. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/trans-siberian+orchestra/track/wizards+in+winter"]Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Wizards In Winter[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url]: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1731448' date='Dec 18 2008, 05:50 PM']+J.M.J.+ i'm not nitpicking on you on purpose i swear... but 'seemed' is the key word here. we should be careful of who 'seems' more Christ-like than those who have been appointed the shepherds of our souls. (i'm not trying to absolve bishops who have led people astray )[/quote] True, we can only look at appearances. Why appear to be building up worldly possessions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1731471' date='Dec 18 2008, 05:18 PM']It is a mercedes. I am unsure of the model.[/quote] I'm pretty sure the Holy Father, when he was a Cardinal drove around in a VW which are pretty expensive cars. I'm not going to dare point a finger at him as being extravagant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 +J.M.J.+ [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1731470' date='Dec 18 2008, 03:16 PM']I made sure that this was not a public accusation by not naming him or my diocese. I was looking for imput from the broadest group of faithful Catholics I could think of. I know him personally and feel uncomfortable and unworthy of "accusing" him of anything. I was curious to see if anyone felt that my frustrations were valid.[/quote] i just think that if you feel your frustrations are valid, then go to your bishop and ask him. or write a letter. i'm sure that if he is as great a bishop as you say, then he will welcome your remarks and the chance to correct or reinforce your opinion. it is one thing to vent frustrations and to get back-up, but to do so without going to the source and asking is unfair to your and your bishop. God bless. [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1731479' date='Dec 18 2008, 03:24 PM']True, we can only look at appearances. Why appear to be building up worldly possessions?[/quote] because that's what i was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='StColette' post='1731482' date='Dec 18 2008, 05:28 PM']I'm pretty sure the Holy Father, when he was a Cardinal drove around in a VW which are pretty expensive cars. I'm not going to dare point a finger at him as being extravagant.[/quote] When Pope John Paul II passed away, I was happy to see that he was placed in a simple, wooden casket. That was impressive...and it didn't escape the media, as many commentators expressed their surprise at this... ....and in saying that, I do wish all Bishops, even the Holy Father wouldn't ride around in luxury cars...I really wish they wouldn't. I remember Pope Benny gave a homily which spoke against building up treasure here on earth...and moments later, he was taking his ride in the Mercedes Pope Mobile...it just seemed to be a contradiction... ...and I cringed later that night when comedians had picked up on that, and used it for BIG laughs...which they received, and not only that loud applause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 +J.M.J.+ i really wish the Church would just sell all those paintings and buildings and everything and give it to the poor! after all, what good does it do the faithful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1731486' date='Dec 18 2008, 06:34 PM']+J.M.J.+ i just think that if you feel your frustrations are valid, then go to your bishop and ask him. or write a letter. i'm sure that if he is as great a bishop as you say, then he will welcome your remarks and the chance to correct or reinforce your opinion. it is one thing to vent frustrations and to get back-up, but to do so without going to the source and asking is unfair to your and your bishop. God bless. because that's what i was getting at. [/quote] I will certianly pray on it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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