Hymns "banned" By The Usccb

[Maria_Faustina]

[quote name='Brigid' post='1728020' date='Dec 14 2008, 11:21 PM']haha, I'm the friend, right? and I think my reaction was to jump around as yell "YES!" for a few minutes. but yeah, I'm definitely interested in any input anyone has. because this would be hugely exciting.

(USCCB wasn't capitalized because that's the formatting the title of the thread automatically takes. I think the only way to make it all capitalized is to put spaces or something in between the letters, and no, only a mod can change the title of a thread once it's started.)[/quote]

Actually, you're not the specific friend. This was like...two days ago. See, I don't have to prove it to you necessarily...you want to believe it for the same reasons I listed! lol. But I think she was a little more skeptical. Which makes sense, cause most people never think about the songs possibly being wrong in their content.

[quote name='Maggie' post='1728023' date='Dec 14 2008, 11:32 PM']Don't know if it came from the Vatican or the USCCB but there was recently a ruling against songs that use the name of God (Yahweh). "Yahweh, I know you are near, standing always at my siiiiiiide" is therefore disallowed, although I believe the Oregon Catholic Press or whoever is just having the songs rewritten without the Name.[/quote]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1728032' date='Dec 15 2008, 12:03 AM']The only ones that I've heard are officially banned are the Yahweh ones.[/quote]

Yes, I knew about that decision from the Vatican; was very excited...people also never think about not saying the Holy Name. I love Pope Benedict's view on the liturgy and...well, everything. It's not exactly what I'm looking for though, but thank you.

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1728043' date='Dec 15 2008, 12:28 AM']Lots of songs (I refuse to call them hymns) should be banned from the present Roman liturgy.[/quote]

Well, I knOw a lot of songs from the pesent liturgy shOULd be banned, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actually are... If any are, I would like to know, though!

[kujo]

Ummmm.....can someone tell me why we can't sing songs with the word "Yahweh" in them?

[kujo]

Oh, and by the way...the songs "Ashes" and "You are Near" are both beautiful songs.

[CatherineM]

The Pope is trying to be sensitive to our Jewish heritage, and since the Jews do not say the name Yahweh, we aren't supposed to say it in our liturgy either. Some people believe that since Jesus was a Jew, as were the earliest Christians, that our original liturgies would also not have used the word.

I also like those songs, and hope they rework them.

[LouisvilleFan]

More than being sensitive, it's obedience to our Jewish heritage. Remember, "not one letter of the law shall pass away."

[prose]

Our Church sings "Our God, I know you are near...."

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1728257' date='Dec 15 2008, 04:54 PM']The Pope is trying to be sensitive to our Jewish heritage, and since the Jews do not say the name Yahweh, we aren't supposed to say it in our liturgy either. Some people believe that since Jesus was a Jew, as were the earliest Christians, that our original liturgies would also not have used the word.[/quote]
Not to mention that we don't actually know how the Tetragrammaton was pronounced.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='prose' post='1728278' date='Dec 15 2008, 01:16 PM']Our Church sings "Our God, I know you are near...."[/quote]

Shouldn't it be, "we know you are near..."? If not, the grammar suits the song.

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1728299' date='Dec 15 2008, 01:35 PM']Not to mention that we don't actually know how the Tetragrammaton was pronounced.[/quote]

Do we know how "tetragrammaton" is pronounced? Gotta say, that is a cool word.

[prose]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1728317' date='Dec 15 2008, 11:48 AM']Shouldn't it be, "we know you are near..."? If not, the grammar suits the song.[/quote]

Probably, to be honest, I never really paid that close of attention.

[CatherineM]

Our choir director was going to replace Yahweh with Father in "you are near." I guess it doesn't sound too bad.

[He is Risen!]

There was a very thorough article in This Rock magazine, Sept. and Oct. I think (2 parts) about liturgical music. Has anyone here had the chance to read it?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='He is Risen!' post='1728674' date='Dec 15 2008, 03:14 PM']There was a very thorough article in This Rock magazine, Sept. and Oct. I think (2 parts) about liturgical music. Has anyone here had the chance to read it?[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
YES! it was a great two part article!! the first part is now online:
[url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2008/0810fea2.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2008/0810fea2.asp[/url]

[Theoketos]

FYI All songs with Yahweh in them are not to be used. That came down the pipes a few months ago.

[Maria_Faustina]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1728698' date='Dec 15 2008, 05:34 PM']+J.M.J.+
YES! it was a great two part article!! the first part is now online:
[url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2008/0810fea2.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2008/0810fea2.asp[/url][/quote]

Ah, yes, that was a good article. I only hope everyone who reads it understood what he was saying--it was very well written for a magazine article (that he's an English professor explains it, of course), and involved thought-out, "deep" explanations. He nailed the problems exactly; hopefully it will have the effect intended.

As far as the USCCB, I suppose I'll have to settle with "Gather us In", etc., not fitting under their list of requirements. I've really got to find the person who told me it was officially not allowed to be sung (or at least that specific verse).

[InHisLove726]

[quote name='Maria_Faustina' post='1728014' date='Dec 14 2008, 11:11 PM']So, among other songs (see thread about the most annoying hymns--that's not what this thread is about, though. Go there to complain ) that have theological errors and are generally bad, "Gather us In" is one of them. I would very much love to never sing that song ever again in my life, and so I was very happy to hear when someone reliable told me it had been officially banned in the US (because of the "gather us in/the rich and the haughty" part and such). I guess I kind of assumed they had told me correctly, because I know there are requirements for hymns, and it is a bad song, and it makes sense that the USCCB would advise us not to sing songs that are obviously wrong and misleading in their content (like "Ashes": we rise again from ashes/to create ourselves anew"). I told a friend about that, and she was surprised, but agreed that the songs are incorrect, and asked to see the article/etc. saying they had actually banned it. Does anyone know if that is accurate? Or does it just fit under these requirements: [url="http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2006/06-201.shtml"]http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2006/06-201.shtml[/url] and therefore is technically "banned"? I know I should've actually looked it up before going around telling people...I guess I got overexcited at such an wonderful possibility..







Edit: I was trying to fix the title so USCCB would be capitalized like it should be, and like I actually wrote it in the topic, but I guess you can't edit the title?[/quote]


I don't know why that song would be banned. The one's I hate are the ones that make the congregation sound like we are God or something. Those need to be banned.