Paladin D Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Slain in the Spirit, when an anointed individual sweeps his hand or touches someone and they fall down. Well I got a question... Does the Church teach that this is possible? If so, how common is it inside the Church? ...also, can something similar to this be used, like some hypnotic trick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Well this one lady gets "slained in the spirit" in our parish. When she recieves the annoiting of the sick at the healing mass, recieves communion, and goes to the special blessing Father Dave gives after adoration, she gets slained. Once I asked God, when I was doubting him, If your really there show me you are. The next day I witnessed this lady being "slained" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I'm not sure the Church, in Her wisdom, would have a specific teaching on this. All I know is that it does happen, I've seen it happen alot, and it almost happenned to me. As for something similar, like hypnotics being used, I don't understand the wuestion... used for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Mar 15 2004, 12:30 AM'] I'm not sure the Church, in Her wisdom, would have a specific teaching on this. All I know is that it does happen, I've seen it happen alot, and it almost happenned to me. As for something similar, like hypnotics being used, I don't understand the wuestion... used for what? [/quote] Well, aren't there some people who use hypnotic tricks to make someone feel as if they were slain in the Spirit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 hmmm, I dunno. Thanks for clarifying though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 It's possible that the same effect can be reached through scientific means (ie psychological ones). I think that the amazing thing is the spontenaity of being slain in the spirit, there is no preparation, or hypnosis involved, just the Spirit, so its still a pretty unique event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Mar 15 2004, 10:18 AM'] It's possible that the same effect can be reached through scientific means (ie psychological ones). I think that the amazing thing is the spontenaity of being slain in the spirit, there is no preparation, or hypnosis involved, just the Spirit, so its still a pretty unique event. [/quote] How about Benny Hinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Who am I to say? Maybe the Spirit is moving in these people. Maybe they're actors, maybe it's the heat, maybe its the mob or peer pressure. Bottom line is this: Being slain in the spirit is not something that happens so that people can watch and think someone is holy, or that God is real, because if an outsider sees it, it usually has quite the opposite effect, they're totally freaked out. It's a personal experience. So I say, let individuals decide for themselves. If it really happens by a new movement of the Holy Spirit, then God Bless them and I hope it changes their lives, gives them new insight into God's love for them. If not... that's their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Fr. Hardon said the following about that sort of thing (what he calls pentecostalism): The fundamental problem it (Pentacostalism) creates is the absolute conviction of devoted Pentecostals that they have actually received a charismatic visitation of the Holy Spirit. I am not referring to such external phenomena as the gift of tongues, but of the deeply inward certitude that a person has been the object of a preternatural infusion, with stress on the infusion of preternatural insight, i.e., in the cognitive order. This is an astounding assertion, and the only thing unremarkable about it that so many Pentecostals are now firmly convinced they have been so enlightened... The dilemma this raises can be easily stated: Either the Pentecostal experience really confers preternatural insight (at least among its leaders), or the experience is quite natural, while certainly allowing for the normal operations of divine grace... Are the so-called charismata truly charismatic? If they are, then we stand in the presence of a cosmic miracle, more stupendous in proportion - by reason of sheer numbers - than anything the Church has seen, I would say, even in apostolic times. But if the experiences are not authentically charismatic, then, again, we stand in the presence of a growing multitude of persons who believe themselves charismatically led by the Holy Spirit. They will make drastic decisions, institute revolutionary changes, or act in a host of other ways - firmly convinced they are responding to a special divine impulse whereas in reality they are acting in response to quite ordinary, and certainly less infallible, motions of the human spirit. At this point we could begin a completely separate analysis, namely, of the accumulating evidence that the impulses which the Pentecostal leaders consider charismatic are suspiciously very human. " ************************************************************************ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Another Fr. Hardon quote: Q. Is the charismatic practice known as "baptism in the Holy Spirit" 1) an integral part of either the sacrament of Baptism or Confirmation, 2) a new sacrament, 3) a part of the liturgy, or 4) an authentic Catholic practice? -K.A.K., Michigan A.No, the charismatic practice of baptism in the Holy Spirit is not: 1) an integral part of either the sacrament of Baptism or Confirmation, 2) a new sacrament, 3) a part of the liturgy, or 4) an authentic Catholic practice. What is called the "baptism in the Holy Spirit" is variously interpreted by charismatics. The most common interpretation is the belief that some people receive what is called the baptism of the Holy Spirit. These would be persons who receive certain extraordinary gifts, such as those received by the Apostles on Pentecost Sunday. This claim is purely gratuitous. It is part of a larger claim by some charismatics. They say the Church of the future will be the Church of the Holy Spirit and no longer the Church of the hierarchy and the sacraments instituted by Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 I just wonder, how come you never see any Missionaries of Charity being slain in the spirit? They certainly are examples of holiness, and the Holy Spirit in their lives is quite evident. How come they aren't falling down all over themselves? Now, I've been "slain in the Spirit" twice. Once while a woman was praying with me, and another time in my friends living room while she was praying with me. I'm not sure if it was from the Holy Spirit or not, but neither time did it produce any fruit that I could see. It was like a restful prayer, but certainly no evidence of a powerful anointing of the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Blazer, I understood the "slain in the spirit" to be something other than simple restfulness. I really don't know though. You could be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 THe first time it happened to me I was praying standing up, and then when I woke up I was lying on the floor. I don't know how long I was down there. The second time I was sitting on the couch and she was praying over me and I fell backward, when I woke up she was still praying over me, It couldn't have been longer than a couple of minutes. Both times I felt really rested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 I think your experience is the most common BLAZEr, many of my friends speak of the great peace and rest it brings about, not any "supernatural insight". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Mar 16 2004, 07:42 AM'] I think your experience is the most common BLAZEr, many of my friends speak of the great peace and rest it brings about, not any "supernatural insight". [/quote] Ditto. Happened to me too. Same thing. On the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" better termed "the release of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit"... Since some might find the term "Baptism" confusing, because Catholics acknowledge only one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins. popestpiusx, I suggest you do a search on this site. We had a very informational dialogue about this (a 10+ page dialogue mind you). I think it is noteworthy that Fr. Cantalamessa has been the Papal preacher to Pope John Paul II's Pontifical household since 1980. And he has a teaching on this outpouring of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. [url="http://www.catholic-jhb.org.za/articles/baptism.htm#BAPTISM%20IN%20THE%20HOLY%20SPIRIT"]http://www.catholic-jhb.org.za/articles/ba...20HOLY%20SPIRIT[/url] Sure, it doesn't make it "Catholic doctrine", but the origins are certainly Catholic. The re-newal was Penticostal. But a re-newal, is nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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