CatholicCid Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I've heard it said that Priesthood is an impediment to marriage (An ordained Priest cannot marry) while marriage is not an impediment to Ordination (Married men can be ordained). However, can a Priest be laicized and then married? If so, how and why? Thanks for the help. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Yes, he can be laicized, and because he is laicized he is free to marry. Obviously, being ordained does not make valid marriage impossible, but it would be illicit without first being laicized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 In the diaconate, married men are accepted for ordination all the time. This is with the understanding that, should their wife die, they will not remarry. Also, if an unmarried man wishes to be ordained as a deacon, he cannot then go on and get married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 The Church regards it as a tragedy when a priest leaves the ministry but it recognizes that there are cases in which it is pastorally prudent to allow this to happen. As a result, the Church has a procedure known as laicization by which a priest can be returned to functioning in the Church as if he were a layman. This means (among other things) that he can no longer celebrate the sacraments apart from emergency circumstances (e.g., hearing the confession of a dying man). There also are restrictions on the kind of public role he can play in parish life (the Chruch doesn't want such individuals to have too high a profile because of the confusion it can cause the faithful). Laicized priests may, however, be able to marry. On the other hand, some priests simply abandon their ministry and do not pursue laicization. Some of these then attempt marriage in a civil ceremony, which results in an invalid marriage because the sacrament of holy orders creates an impediment to marriage that must be dispensed if the marriage is to be valid. This applies even if the priest formally defects from the Church. The only way a priest can validly contrat marriage is if he is laicized first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 [quote name='cappie' post='1733077' date='Dec 21 2008, 07:39 AM']This means (among other things) that he can no longer celebrate the sacraments apart from emergency circumstances (e.g., hearing the confession of a dying man). There also are restrictions on the kind of public role he can play in parish life (the Chruch doesn't want such individuals to have too high a profile because of the confusion it can cause the faithful). Laicized priests may, however, be able to marry.[/quote] What type of restrictions are on their public role? We have a laicized priest who is a youth minister at a large parish and then comes to teach some theology courses at my university. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' post='1733127' date='Dec 21 2008, 04:48 PM']What type of restrictions are on their public role? We have a laicized priest who is a youth minister at a large parish and then comes to teach some theology courses at my university.[/quote] I'm curious as well. The cantor at our parish is a laicised priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Generally, they are instructed not to celebrate the sacraments or present themselves as a Catholic priest, I think. The roles you mentioned are roles that are often filled by laypersons, so I see no conflict there. Starting their own church would be seen as a Bad Thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 The standard rescript of laicization that was implemented in 1980 and that, with minor modifications, has been in use ever since. (The minor modifications would concern things like the name of the current pontiff, the fact that the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is now called just the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and updating the numbers of a couple of canons that allow laicized priests to hear deathbed confessions, since the numbers are different in the 1983 Code than they were in the 1917 Code). The main do's and don'ts that pertain to how the priest is to conduct himself on an ongoing basis are found in sections 4 and 5 of the rescript and can be summarized as follows: 1) He can't celebrate any of the sacraments except for hearing deathbed confessions. It is especially noted that he can't give homilies. 2) He can't serve as an extraordinary minister of holy Communion. 3) He can't serve any "directive office in the pastoral field" (e.g., serving as a parish administrator). 4) He can't do anything at all in a seminary. 5) He can't serve as a director or teacher in a Catholic university. 6) He can't teach theology or any closely related discipline (e.g., religious studies, history of theology) in a non-Catholic university. 7) He can't serve a director (e.g., school principal) in a parochial school. 8) He can't serve as a teacher in a parochial school unless he gets the bishop's permission. 9) He shouldn't live in or frequent places where his status as an ex-priest is generally known, unless he gets the bishop's permission. [b]By extension (though there are some doubtful cases), anything a laicized priest is not forbidden to do in his rescript is something he is permitted to do. [/b] In doubtful cases the text of the rescript that was given to an individual priest should be consulted, and the interpretation of the local bishop followed regarding whether a particular action or office violates the instructions the rescript contains. Rescript of Laicization Prot. N. ___________________ Father __________________, a priest of the (Arch) Diocese of _____________________, has petitioned a dispensation from priestly celibacy. His Holiness, Pope John Paul II, after having received a report on the case from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on (date, month, year), has granted the request but with the following provisions: 1. The rescript has its effect from the moment of notification made to the petitioner by the competent ecclesiastical authority, and inseparably includes a dispensation from priestly celibacy and, at the same time, loss of the clerical state. The petitioner never has the right to separate those two elements, that is, to accept the first and refuse the second. If the petitioner is a religious, the rescript also contains a dispensation from the vows. Further, the said rescript carries with it, insofar as it is necessary, absolution from censures, not excepting the excommunication which may have been incurred because of a marriage attempted by the parties; it also includes legitimation of offspring. 2. Let notice of the grant of dispensation be recorded in the baptismal register of the petitioner’s parish. 3. With regard to the celebration of a canonical marriage, the norms set down in the Code of Canon Law must be applied. The Ordinary, however, should take care that the matter be discreetly handled without pomp or external display. 4. The ecclesiastical authority to whom it belongs to communicate the rescript to the petitioner should earnestly exhort him to take part in the life of the People of God in a manner consonant with his new mode of living, to give edification, and thus to show himself a most loving son of the Church. However, at the same time, he should be informed of the following points: a) the dispensed priest automatically loses the rights proper to the clerical state as well as ecclesiastical dignities and offices; he is no longer bound by the other obligations connected with the clerical state; b) he remains excluded from the exercise of the sacred ministry, with the exception of those functions mentioned in canons 882 and 892, §2, and, as a result, he may not give a homily. Moreover, he may not function as extraordinary minister in the distribution of Holy Communion nor may he discharge any directive office in the pastoral field; c) similarly, he may not discharge any function in seminaries or equivalent institutions. In other institutions of higher studies which are in any way whatever dependent upon ecclesiastical authority, he may not exercise the functions of director, or office of teaching; d) however, in those institutions of higher studies which are not dependent upon ecclesiastical authority, he may not teach any discipline which is properly theological or closely connected with the same; e) on the other hand, in institutions of lower studies, which are dependent upon ecclesiastical authority, he may not exercise the function of director or the office of teaching unless the Ordinary, in keeping with his prudent judgment and provided that there is no scandal, shall have decided to decree otherwise as far as the office of teaching is concerned. 5. As a rule, the priest who has been dispensed from priestly celibacy, and, all the more so, a priest who has married, ought to stay away from places where his previous status is known. Nevertheless, the Ordinary of the place where the petitioner is staying, after he has listened, insofar as it may be necessary, to the Ordinary of incardination or the major religious superior, will be able to dispense from that clause attached to the rescript, if it is foreseen that the presence of the petitioner will not beget scandal. 6. Lastly, some work of piety or charity should be imposed on him. At an opportune time, however, a brief report should be made to the sacred Congregation on his performance, and, finally, if there should be any wonderment on the part of the faithful, let a prudent explanation be provided. All things to the contrary notwithstanding. From the offices of the S. C. for the Doctrine of the Faith, on the (date, month, year). [Published in Canon Law Digest, vol. 9, pp. 99-101.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Thanks, cappie. Clears things up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puellapaschalis Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 How can laicization be squared with the idea that Ordination imposes an indelible mark upon one's character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 It is an issue of practice, not of 'undoing' ordination. The laicized priest may still hear deathbed confessions, for instance, while [i]I[/i] certainly couldn't do something like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 [quote name='MithLuin' post='1733067' date='Dec 21 2008, 05:31 AM']In the diaconate, married men are accepted for ordination all the time. This is with the understanding that, should their wife die, they will not remarry. Also, if an unmarried man wishes to be ordained as a deacon, he cannot then go on and get married.[/quote] To add a bit more to this, there are two different kinds of deacons. Married men are ordained as permanent deacons while men being formed for priesthood are ordained as transitional deacons. Being a permanent deacon not only requires sacrificing marriage in the event of his wife's death (unless he is first laicized), but also means he cannot seek ordination as a priest either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) I'm not sure about the latter. I know of an ordained permanent deacon whose wife died. He is now seeking ordination to the priesthood, and I think our diocese may have accepted him. Edited December 22, 2008 by MithLuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) [quote name='MithLuin' post='1733798' date='Dec 22 2008, 11:41 AM']I'm not sure about the latter. I know of an ordained permanent deacon whose wife died. He is now seeking ordination to the priesthood, and I think our diocese may have accepted him.[/quote] Yeah, I wouldn't surprised if it's allowed. Maybe it requires a dispensation from the "permanent" part of his diaconate. Those who make the rules can break-- or dispense with them Edited December 22, 2008 by LouisvilleFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 He will probably be required to upgrade his education. A permanent Deacon doesn't have the same educational requirements in most places that a priest does. We had a former priest in our seminary last year who had been married and was now returning. I didn't ask him if his wife had died or if he was divorced, but I know he has grown children. The bishop was making him take some classes. I don't think it was an upgrade on his part, I think the bishop was enforcing a bit of penance on him because he was making him jump through so many hoops he just about gave up, but he's got a parish up north now. He wasn't re-ordained, but I don't know if he'd been laicized or not. I never felt comfortable asking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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