How Did Christ Dying On The Cross Please God ?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='nvzbl' post='1720909' date='Dec 6 2008, 02:05 PM']It also ways all people were before the throne of God worshiping him.[/quote]

Can you give me the precise Scripture quote, please?

[Guest nvzbl]

Revelations.

[HisChildForever]

I said precise quote, please. Not the entire book.

[HisChildForever]

Because if you want to play the Revelation card, I can easily pull up verses.

19: 11 through 21
"Then I saw the beast [b]and the kings of the earth and their armies[/b] gathered to fight against the one riding the horse and against his army. The beast was caught and with it the false prophet who had performed in its sights the signs by which he led astray [b]those who had accepted the mark of the beast and those who had worshipped its image[/b]. The two were thrown alive into the firey pool burning with sulfur. [b]The rest were killed by the sword that came out of the mouth of the one riding the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh[/b]." (verses 19-21)

The parts I bolded clearly reference human beings who were against Christ and thus were damned.

Matthew 25: 31 - 46
The Judgment of the Nations
I.E., the sheep and the goats.

[Guest nvzbl]

# Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
Genesis 28:14
Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.
# Genesis 41:40
You shall be in charge of my palace, and all my people are to submit to your orders. Only with respect to the throne will I be greater than you."
Exodus 34:10
Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you.
Leviticus 10:3
Moses then said to Aaron, "This is what the LORD spoke of when he said: " 'Among those who approach me I will show myself holy; in the sight of all the people I will be honored.' " Aaron remained silent.
Numbers 11:12
Did I conceive all these people? Did I give them birth? Why do you tell me to carry them in my arms, as a nurse carries an infant, to the land you promised on oath to their forefathers?
Numbers 11:29
But Moses replied, "Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!"
Deuteronomy 4:6
Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, "Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people."
Deuteronomy 7:6
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
# Deuteronomy 7:7
The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.
Deuteronomy 7:19
You saw with your own eyes the great trials, the miraculous signs and wonders, the mighty hand and outstretched arm, with which the LORD your God brought you out. The LORD your God will do the same to all the peoples you now fear.
Deuteronomy 17:13
All the people will hear and be afraid, and will not be contemptuous again.
Deuteronomy 26:18
And the LORD has declared this day that you are his people, his treasured possession as he promised, and that you are to keep all his commands.
Deuteronomy 26:19
He has declared that he will set you in praise, fame and honor high above all the nations he has made and that you will be a people holy to the LORD your God, as he promised.
Deuteronomy 27:15
"Cursed is the man who carves an image or casts an idol—a thing detestable to the LORD, the work of the craftsman's hands—and sets it up in secret." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:16
"Cursed is the man who dishonors his father or his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:17
"Cursed is the man who moves his neighbor's boundary stone." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:18
"Cursed is the man who leads the blind astray on the road." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:19
"Cursed is the man who withholds justice from the alien, the fatherless or the widow." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:20
"Cursed is the man who sleeps with his father's wife, for he dishonors his father's bed." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:21
"Cursed is the man who has sexual relations with any animal." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:22
"Cursed is the man who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:23
"Cursed is the man who sleeps with his mother-in-law." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:24
"Cursed is the man who kills his neighbor secretly." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:25
"Cursed is the man who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 27:26
"Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Deuteronomy 28:10
Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you.
Deuteronomy 31:12
Assemble the people—men, women and children, and the aliens living in your towns—so they can listen and learn to fear the LORD your God and follow carefully all the words of this law.
Deuteronomy 32:8
When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel.
Deuteronomy 32:9
For the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance.
# Deuteronomy 32:44
Moses came with Joshua son of Nun and spoke all the words of this song in the hearing of the people.
Deuteronomy 33:3
Surely it is you who love the people; all the holy ones are in your hand. At your feet they all bow down, and from you receive instruction,
Joshua 4:24
He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the LORD is powerful and so that you might always fear the LORD your God.
Joshua 24:27
"See!" he said to all the people. "This stone will be a witness against us. It has heard all the words the LORD has said to us. It will be a witness against you if you are untrue to your God."
# Judges 2:4
When the angel of the LORD had spoken these things to all the Israelites, the people wept aloud,
Judges 20:2
The leaders of all the people of the tribes of Israel took their places in the assembly of the people of God, four hundred thousand soldiers armed with swords.
Judges 20:8
All the people rose as one man, saying, "None of us will go home. No, not one of us will return to his house.
1 Samuel 2:23
So he said to them, "Why do you do such things? I hear from all the people about these wicked deeds of yours.
1 Samuel 8:7
And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.
1 Samuel 8:21
When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD.
# 1 Samuel 10:24
Samuel said to all the people, "Do you see the man the LORD has chosen? There is no one like him among all the people." Then the people shouted, "Long live the king!"

[Guest nvzbl]

Revelations:
9And they sang a new song:
"You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth."

11Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12In a loud voice they sang:
"Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!"

13Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:
"To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!" 14The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.

[Guest nvzbl]

9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:
"Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb." 11All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:
"Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!"

13Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?"

14I answered, "Sir, you know."

And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore,
"they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
16Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat upon them,
nor any scorching heat.
17For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd;
he will lead them to springs of living water.
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

[HisChildForever]

I have to make this quick.

Your first post:
And what does this have to do with whether or not people go to Hell?

Your second post:
These are angels praising God

Your third post:
You missed the key phrase: [b]These are they who have come out of the great tribulation;[/b]
I.e., Christians

What you are claiming right now is mind-boggling. If no one goes to Hell for sin, then why did Christ come to earth? Why did He die for us? Why does Hell exist? Why does sin exist? Why are we tempted? Why bother going to Confession for mortal sin if we go to Heaven anyway?

You are preaching a heretical theology.
You are also ignoring the Biblical references and passages from the Catechism which state [b]in blatant terms[/b] that many will go to Hell.

This is very scary.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='cheryl' post='1718913' date='Dec 4 2008, 06:09 PM']We should hope that all are saved.

[i]For the sake of His sorrowful passion have mercy on us [u]and on the whole world[/u]

[/i][/quote]
It sounds like a nice thought, but to me it
A} leads to complacency [spelling?], sort of giving us a reason not to convert the whole world, and
B} and heresy, sincethe Bible emphatically says many will not be saved.
This is not a kumbaya world.

[Guest nvzbl]

No, this is what I said. I said it also says in revelations, 9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.

[Guest nvzbl]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1720937' date='Dec 6 2008, 03:10 PM']I have to make this quick.

Your first post:
And what does this have to do with whether or not people go to Hell?

Your second post:
These are angels praising God

Your third post:
You missed the key phrase: [b]These are they who have come out of the great tribulation;[/b]
I.e., Christians

What you are claiming right now is mind-boggling. If no one goes to Hell for sin, then why did Christ come to earth? Why did He die for us? Why does Hell exist? Why does sin exist? Why are we tempted? Why bother going to Confession for mortal sin if we go to Heaven anyway?

You are preaching a heretical theology.
You are also ignoring the Biblical references and passages from the Catechism which state [b]in blatant terms[/b] that many will go to Hell.

This is very scary.[/quote]
No, I was preaching scripture.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1719653' date='Dec 5 2008, 01:48 AM']hmm ok. but he did choose to come did he not ?






Ya exactly. So God being out of time knew he would die this way. But it was not Gods choice for him to die this way. Jesus did not reject this death but at the same time I dont think he wanted to die this way. I dont think God wanted him to die this way either but God being outside of time knew that he would die this way. Is it wrong to say that even though God knew Christ would come here and die this way he was still against it ? They crucified Jesus because he claimed to be God and by all the miracles he performed right ? But as a little boy Jesus did not know he was going to fullfill this desinty did he ? So by God being outside of time he knew this would be the sacrifice that would save us. But at the same time as it pleased him doesnt it probally also grieve him very much so to ?[/quote]
Jesus Christ is the God-man, having a human nature and a divine nature united in one Person. So while Jesus the boy was learning to use a saw at his father's knee, Jesus the Son of God who created the universe was present as well.

[Guest nvzbl]

*nvrmnd*

Edited December 6, 2008 by nvzbl

[Guest nvzbl]

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[Guest nvzbl]

God is mind-boggling. The idea of heaven is mind-boggling. The idea that there are angels is mind-boggling. The idea that I might be around forever is a pretty mind-boggling thought. The fact that I quoted scripture is awesome.