My Mother Mary And Me?

[Dave]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Mar 15 2004, 01:47 PM'] here's my two cents...which I hope don't get tossed back...hehehe

when John fell before the angel that was his guide in Revelation, he was going to worship the angel for what he (John) has seen... what did the angel say?

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

so not even the angels themselves could take worship...even it if were meant for God?

hmmm.... [/quote]
Lumberjack, we've told you this before -- [b]CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP MARY.[/b]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Mar 15 2004, 12:47 PM'] here's my two cents...which I hope don't get tossed back...hehehe

when John fell before the angel that was his guide in Revelation, he was going to worship the angel for what he (John) has seen... what did the angel say?

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

so not even the angels themselves could take worship...even it if were meant for God?

hmmm.... [/quote]
lumberjack. Thanks you for sharing that. It's a great point. Here is what I think about that:

There are many passages in the Bible which indicate people bowing down before other people and before Angels. The act of bowing is not intrinsically worship (or else the Japanese would be in big trouble ), bowing can be just a greeting, a sign of reverence, honor, submission, etc..
See Jos 5:14; Dan 8:17; Tob 12:16; 1 Kings 2:19, etc..

So what is the difference between these verses and the one in Revelation? It Revelation it indicates that he bowed down to the Angel specifically to worship him. This is of course wrong, only God should be worshipped, not mere creatures. But this still doesn't mean that Catholic veneration of Mary and the Saints is the same as worship.

God bless!

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Mar 15 2004, 12:47 PM'] here's my two cents...which I hope don't get tossed back...hehehe

when John fell before the angel that was his guide in Revelation, he was going to worship the angel for what he (John) has seen... what did the angel say?

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

so not even the angels themselves could take worship...even it if were meant for God?

hmmm.... [/quote]
Right, worship belongs to God alone. I think everyone agrees with that.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I'm proud of you, Brother Adam!

Now we just need you to analyze the Hail Holy Queen and come to the conclusion that we are simply declaring our love and devotion to the Mother of God.

[Aloysius]

i don't mean to sound condescending or nothing, i know you've prolly heard alot of this b4 but i invite you to look at this in relation to the Hail Holy Queen.

[b]Hail Holy Queen[/b] Hail- a greeting for one who you have greatly desired to speak to. the angel spoke this way too [i]Luke 1:28[/i] when speaking to Mary. Queen- in the davidic kingdom, the mother of the king was always seen as the queen. the roll of this queen is seen in [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i] Holy- the ark of the covenant was considered holy because it housed the word of God at one point, so too did Mary house the WORD of God. in [i]2 Chron. 8:11[/i] it shows that even the places the ark has been to become holy just because the ark has been there, meaning the ark is holy. also, the power of the most high overshadowed her [i]Luke 1:35[/i] she is filled with grace and the Lord is with her[i]Luke 1:28[/i]

[b]Mother of Mercy[/b] Jesus Christ is mercy. Mary is Jesus' mother, the mother of the Lord [i]Luke 1:43[/i] so Mary is MERCY's mother.

<repeat to emphasize something>Mother of: mercy,[b]Our Life, our sweetness, and our hope[/b] you see, it's Mother of the following four things: Mercy, Our Life, Our Sweetness, and Our Hope. and in a special way, too then, she herself is our life, sweetness, and hope, she's those things by ASSOSIATION. because she raised mercy itself, we owe some gratitude to her for that very mercy. because she raised Him who is Our Life, because she brought Him into the world, we owe gratitude to her and in some way she takes on that attribute simply by her mothering Him who is our life, etc etc with the other two. Mary gave us hope by accepting Jesus Christ into her womb. [i]Luke 1:38[/i] all of these things combined seem to indicate holiness.

[b]to thee do we cry[/b] the ppl in a Davidic kingdom see the mother of the king, the Gebirah or Queen Mother, as one who intercedes on their behalf [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i]

[b]poor banished children of eve[/b] we were all born not into immortality in paradise, but because of eve's acceptence of the serpent and Adam's acceptance of his wife we were BANISHED from paradise. [i]Genesis 3:17[/i]

[b]to thee do we lift up our sighs[/b] again: the ppl in a Davidic kingdom see the mother of the king, the Gebirah or Queen Mother, as one who intercedes on their behalf [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i]

[b]mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.[/b][i]psalms [/i]do this kinda stuff all the time, and [i]lamentations[/i], and yeah, most of the OT, mourning over sinfulness, and over exile (as we were exiled from the Garden of eden). this is the whole point of prayer and fasting, it is a very good spiritual thing to mourn and weap over what offenses we cause to God.

[b]turn then, most gracious advocate[/b] again, the Davidic kingdom, the queen mother was always pleading to the king on behalf of her ppl. [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i] i encourage you to read Scott Hahn's book, ironically enough, HAIL HOLY QUEEN

[b]thine eyes of mercy towards us[/b] this again has to do with the "Gebirah" again, the queen mother, so see again: [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i]

[b]and after this our exile,[/b] we have been banished, exiled, out of paradise and God's presence[i]Genesis 3:17[/i], by the woman and her seed shall we fight the one who banished us [i]Genesis 3:16[/i] by Jesus, the seed of the woman, we have the power to again be sons of God [i] John 1:12[/i] baptism saves us from our banishment [i]1 Peter 3:21[/i] through the resurection, thus we may one day again enter the presence of God, those who do the will of the Heavenly Father will one day enter the presence of God again, paradise, HEAVEN [i]Matthew 7:21[/i]

[b]show unto us the blessed fruit of they womb,[/b] the angel refers to Jesus as the blessed fruit of Mary's womb [i]Luke 1:28[/i] and Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit [i]Luke 1:41[/i] also refers to Him as such [i]Luke 1:42[/i]

[b]Jesus[/b] hehe, you cannot disagree with invoking His Holy Name in prayer

[b]Oh clement, oh loving, oh sweet Virgin Mary[/b] Virgin Mary- She pledged a life of virginity all her life, which was the only reason she was so shocked and didn't understand how she could bear a child without 'knowing man' [i]Luke 1:34[/i] it's not she hadn't yet known man, but she DOESN'T know man, that means past present and future. clement- loving- one who is filled with grace and most blessed of all women [i]Luke 1:28[/i] will be called blessed by every generation [i] Luke 1:48[/i] who heard the word of God and kept it as a model for all [i]Luke 11:28[/i] would of COURSE be loving, she is shown to be one of the greates of Jesus' disciples, she spent 30 years with Him hearing His message, so she must have gotten this message of love more than anyone. clement and sweet- same verses, blessed and grace-filled would of course produce a very sweet woman who is good and merciful, she spent thirty years with the one who is source of all mercy, don't you think a lil of His goodness, His sweetness, His love, at least rubbed off? she's in heaven, and those that stand before the Father are perfected [i]Matthew 5:48[/i]

[b]Pray for us oh holy mother of God[/b] pray for us- intercession of the mother of the king again [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i] holy- [i]2 Chron. 8:11[/i] [i]Luke 1:28[/i] [i]Luke 1:35[/i] mother of God- [i]Luke 1:43[/i]

[b]that we may be found worthy of the promises of Christ[/b] first that we are unworthy servants [i]Luke 17:10[/i] then that we can be made worthy through Christ "by His wounds we are healed" [i]Isaiah 53:5[/i] He promised to heal us and to give us a light yoke [i]Matthew 11:30[/i] and He promised also that we would be persecuted [i]Matthew 24:9[/i] but that is a blessing [i]Matthew 5:12[/i] he gave the promise of eternal life [i]John 3:16[/i] if we do the will of His father [i]Matthew 5:48; Matthew 7:21[/i]

anyway, i figured since it's a scary new thing, i should walk through step by step with you with the scriptures.

peace be with you on your journey, follow God's will.

Pax et Amorque Christi

[Laudate_Dominum]

Thank you Al for taking the time to go through that!

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='mulls' date='Mar 13 2004, 03:12 PM'] nice story, i think i can relate to it a lot as far as the sin is concerned,but this part confuses me








you wanted God to pass along the request for those in heaven to pray for you....and i presume they would be praying to God, right?



instead of giving God your request right there, you asked Him to ask others to ask Him for you? and ultimately asked Mary to ask God for you?


just making sure i got the story straight. [/quote]
Wow! I entered late into this.

Bro. You inspire me so much! I can't believe it. What a gift you are to us.




Mulls,

Bro Adam followed St. Pauls lead by asking for as many prayers as possible to stop a sin! He called on God's warriors with the permission of God Himself. And lo' the enemy was slain!

In fact, what Bro wrote is quite prophetic, because it's exactly what happens even when one prays directly to Mary. I'll brake it down for you:

[quote]I then prayed that God would hear me, that (Please God) He would not be offended by this, that I didn't know what else to do, and prayed using the Rosary. [/quote]

The "ears" of the Saints and Angels in Heaven are given only by God. Bro asked God to hear him, and He does. God hears us when we ask anyone anything. So God is not left out of the equation. Catholics know God can hear. It's not like it's an a / b conversation between us and Mary. God is all knowing anyway. Bro. pointed this out as part of his learning experience with intercession of Saints. Catholics are brought up with, and should know this, authomatically.



[quote]I prayed that if Mary couldn't hear me that God would at least pass along the request to those in heaven who pray for us. But humbly, I did ask Mary to pray for me. [/quote]


This is exactly the right attitude. Mary indeed could NOT hear us, if God did not allow her to. So, Bro is asking God to allow Mary and the Saints to hear his request, so that in addition to his prayers to God theirs would be included as well! For Catholics, we already know that God has allowed the Saints to hear us. They are the cloud of witnesses!

Think about this for a minute, Mulls. Are not our physical ears given to us by God? Must I first ask God to allow you to hear me, when I ask you to pray for me? One would think that is silly too! But in reality, God did allow you to hear me. But you assume, and assume correctly, that He already has. Same too with the spiritual realm (if you will). Bro just asked God to allow the Saints to hear him, so that they could pray for him (just like if I were to ask God to allow you to hear me, so that you could pray for me). What Bro is finding out, is that just like our ears, God has granted those in Heaven "ears" also.

Although it is quite right, you don't need to ask God for me to hear you, Mulls. He has given me that capability.

And although it is quite right, Bro, that you should ask God to allow the Saints to hear you, you don't need to ask God. He has already given them that capability.

Edited March 15, 2004 by Jake Huether

[VeraMaria]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Mar 15 2004, 04:30 PM'] i don't mean to sound condescending or nothing, i know you've prolly heard alot of this b4 but i invite you to look at this in relation to the Hail Holy Queen.

[b]Hail Holy Queen[/b] Hail- a greeting for one who you have greatly desired to speak to. the angel spoke this way too [i]Luke 1:28[/i] when speaking to Mary. Queen- in the davidic kingdom, the mother of the king was always seen as the queen. the roll of this queen is seen in [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i] Holy- the ark of the covenant was considered holy because it housed the word of God at one point, so too did Mary house the WORD of God. in [i]2 Chron. 8:11[/i] it shows that even the places the ark has been to become holy just because the ark has been there, meaning the ark is holy. also, the power of the most high overshadowed her [i]Luke 1:35[/i] she is filled with grace and the Lord is with her[i]Luke 1:28[/i]

[b]Mother of Mercy[/b] Jesus Christ is mercy. Mary is Jesus' mother, the mother of the Lord [i]Luke 1:43[/i] so Mary is MERCY's mother.

<repeat to emphasize something>Mother of: mercy,[b]Our Life, our sweetness, and our hope[/b] you see, it's Mother of the following four things: Mercy, Our Life, Our Sweetness, and Our Hope. and in a special way, too then, she herself is our life, sweetness, and hope, she's those things by ASSOSIATION. because she raised mercy itself, we owe some gratitude to her for that very mercy. because she raised Him who is Our Life, because she brought Him into the world, we owe gratitude to her and in some way she takes on that attribute simply by her mothering Him who is our life, etc etc with the other two. Mary gave us hope by accepting Jesus Christ into her womb. [i]Luke 1:38[/i] all of these things combined seem to indicate holiness.

[b]to thee do we cry[/b] the ppl in a Davidic kingdom see the mother of the king, the Gebirah or Queen Mother, as one who intercedes on their behalf [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i]

[b]poor banished children of eve[/b] we were all born not into immortality in paradise, but because of eve's acceptence of the serpent and Adam's acceptance of his wife we were BANISHED from paradise. [i]Genesis 3:17[/i]

[b]to thee do we lift up our sighs[/b] again: the ppl in a Davidic kingdom see the mother of the king, the Gebirah or Queen Mother, as one who intercedes on their behalf [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i]

[b]mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.[/b][i]psalms [/i]do this kinda stuff all the time, and [i]lamentations[/i], and yeah, most of the OT, mourning over sinfulness, and over exile (as we were exiled from the Garden of eden). this is the whole point of prayer and fasting, it is a very good spiritual thing to mourn and weap over what offenses we cause to God.

[b]turn then, most gracious advocate[/b] again, the Davidic kingdom, the queen mother was always pleading to the king on behalf of her ppl. [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i] i encourage you to read Scott Hahn's book, ironically enough, HAIL HOLY QUEEN

[b]thine eyes of mercy towards us[/b] this again has to do with the "Gebirah" again, the queen mother, so see again: [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i]

[b]and after this our exile,[/b] we have been banished, exiled, out of paradise and God's presence[i]Genesis 3:17[/i], by the woman and her seed shall we fight the one who banished us [i]Genesis 3:16[/i] by Jesus, the seed of the woman, we have the power to again be sons of God [i] John 1:12[/i] baptism saves us from our banishment [i]1 Peter 3:21[/i] through the resurection, thus we may one day again enter the presence of God, those who do the will of the Heavenly Father will one day enter the presence of God again, paradise, HEAVEN [i]Matthew 7:21[/i]

[b]show unto us the blessed fruit of they womb,[/b] the angel refers to Jesus as the blessed fruit of Mary's womb [i]Luke 1:28[/i] and Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit [i]Luke 1:41[/i] also refers to Him as such [i]Luke 1:42[/i]

[b]Jesus[/b] hehe, you cannot disagree with invoking His Holy Name in prayer

[b]Oh clement, oh loving, oh sweet Virgin Mary[/b] Virgin Mary- She pledged a life of virginity all her life, which was the only reason she was so shocked and didn't understand how she could bear a child without 'knowing man' [i]Luke 1:34[/i] it's not she hadn't yet known man, but she DOESN'T know man, that means past present and future. clement- loving- one who is filled with grace and most blessed of all women [i]Luke 1:28[/i] will be called blessed by every generation [i] Luke 1:48[/i] who heard the word of God and kept it as a model for all [i]Luke 11:28[/i] would of COURSE be loving, she is shown to be one of the greates of Jesus' disciples, she spent 30 years with Him hearing His message, so she must have gotten this message of love more than anyone. clement and sweet- same verses, blessed and grace-filled would of course produce a very sweet woman who is good and merciful, she spent thirty years with the one who is source of all mercy, don't you think a lil of His goodness, His sweetness, His love, at least rubbed off? she's in heaven, and those that stand before the Father are perfected [i]Matthew 5:48[/i]

[b]Pray for us oh holy mother of God[/b] pray for us- intercession of the mother of the king again [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i] holy- [i]2 Chron. 8:11[/i] [i]Luke 1:28[/i] [i]Luke 1:35[/i] mother of God- [i]Luke 1:43[/i]

[b]that we may be found worthy of the promises of Christ[/b] first that we are unworthy servants [i]Luke 17:10[/i] then that we can be made worthy through Christ "by His wounds we are healed" [i]Isaiah 53:5[/i] He promised to heal us and to give us a light yoke [i]Matthew 11:30[/i] and He promised also that we would be persecuted [i]Matthew 24:9[/i] but that is a blessing [i]Matthew 5:12[/i] he gave the promise of eternal life [i]John 3:16[/i] if we do the will of His father [i]Matthew 5:48; Matthew 7:21[/i]

anyway, i figured since it's a scary new thing, i should walk through step by step with you with the scriptures.

peace be with you on your journey, follow God's will.

Pax et Amorque Christi [/quote]
Thanks so much Al, that was so interesting!!

[Jake Huether]

Aloysius,

You da man!

That was great!

[Brother Adam]

Darn cheep rosary

I bought it about 6 months ago from Family Christian clearanced at 90% off (go figure, they never sell any) and it broke... maybe its a sign? lol j/k

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 15 2004, 04:49 PM'] Darn cheep rosary

I bought it about 6 months ago from Family Christian clearanced at 90% off (go figure, they never sell any) and it broke... maybe its a sign? lol j/k [/quote]
90% off at family christian clearance? Oh man! That's pretty funny.

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 15 2004, 03:49 PM'] Darn cheep rosary

I bought it about 6 months ago from Family Christian clearanced at 90% off (go figure, they never sell any) and it broke... maybe its a sign? lol j/k [/quote]
I sign that you need to get a better Rosary.

[dUSt]

If I may, I'd like to address one of the point mulls was making earlier. He made a point about him not doing anything that would take his focus off God, or something along those lines...

Mulls,
You read the Bible. Why? When you read the Bible, isn't it taking your focus off God, and putting it into a book? Or... does that book help you get closer to God?

That's the concept you should try to explore. That's the concept that Catholics understand regarding the rosary, asking for the prayers of saints, etc.

The Bible is a tool to help us grow closer to Christ.
The rosary is a tool to help us grow closer to Christ.

If you say that my rosary takes my focus off of God, then I say that your Bible takes your focus off of God. You see? We use the things that God has given us to grow closer to Him.

Hope this analogy helps you understand the Catholic thought process.

God bless.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Mar 15 2004, 02:30 PM'] i don't mean to sound condescending or nothing, i know you've prolly heard alot of this b4 but i invite you to look at this in relation to the Hail Holy Queen.

[b]Hail Holy Queen[/b] Hail- a greeting for one who you have greatly desired to speak to. the angel spoke this way too [i]Luke 1:28[/i] when speaking to Mary. Queen- in the davidic kingdom, the mother of the king was always seen as the queen. the roll of this queen is seen in [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i] Holy- the ark of the covenant was considered holy because it housed the word of God at one point, so too did Mary house the WORD of God. in [i]2 Chron. 8:11[/i] it shows that even the places the ark has been to become holy just because the ark has been there, meaning the ark is holy. also, the power of the most high overshadowed her [i]Luke 1:35[/i] she is filled with grace and the Lord is with her[i]Luke 1:28[/i]

[b]Mother of Mercy[/b] Jesus Christ is mercy. Mary is Jesus' mother, the mother of the Lord [i]Luke 1:43[/i] so Mary is MERCY's mother.

<repeat to emphasize something>Mother of: mercy,[b]Our Life, our sweetness, and our hope[/b] you see, it's Mother of the following four things: Mercy, Our Life, Our Sweetness, and Our Hope. and in a special way, too then, she herself is our life, sweetness, and hope, she's those things by ASSOSIATION. because she raised mercy itself, we owe some gratitude to her for that very mercy. because she raised Him who is Our Life, because she brought Him into the world, we owe gratitude to her and in some way she takes on that attribute simply by her mothering Him who is our life, etc etc with the other two. Mary gave us hope by accepting Jesus Christ into her womb. [i]Luke 1:38[/i] all of these things combined seem to indicate holiness.

[b]to thee do we cry[/b] the ppl in a Davidic kingdom see the mother of the king, the Gebirah or Queen Mother, as one who intercedes on their behalf [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i]

[b]poor banished children of eve[/b] we were all born not into immortality in paradise, but because of eve's acceptence of the serpent and Adam's acceptance of his wife we were BANISHED from paradise. [i]Genesis 3:17[/i]

[b]to thee do we lift up our sighs[/b] again: the ppl in a Davidic kingdom see the mother of the king, the Gebirah or Queen Mother, as one who intercedes on their behalf [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i]

[b]mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.[/b][i]psalms [/i]do this kinda stuff all the time, and [i]lamentations[/i], and yeah, most of the OT, mourning over sinfulness, and over exile (as we were exiled from the Garden of eden). this is the whole point of prayer and fasting, it is a very good spiritual thing to mourn and weap over what offenses we cause to God.

[b]turn then, most gracious advocate[/b] again, the Davidic kingdom, the queen mother was always pleading to the king on behalf of her ppl. [i]1 Kings 2:18[/i] i encourage you to read Scott Hahn's book, ironically enough, HAIL HOLY QUEEN

[b]thine eyes of mercy towards us[/b] this again has to do with the "Gebirah" again, the queen mother, so see again: [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i]

[b]and after this our exile,[/b] we have been banished, exiled, out of paradise and God's presence[i]Genesis 3:17[/i], by the woman and her seed shall we fight the one who banished us [i]Genesis 3:16[/i] by Jesus, the seed of the woman, we have the power to again be sons of God [i] John 1:12[/i] baptism saves us from our banishment [i]1 Peter 3:21[/i] through the resurection, thus we may one day again enter the presence of God, those who do the will of the Heavenly Father will one day enter the presence of God again, paradise, HEAVEN [i]Matthew 7:21[/i]

[b]show unto us the blessed fruit of they womb,[/b] the angel refers to Jesus as the blessed fruit of Mary's womb [i]Luke 1:28[/i] and Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit [i]Luke 1:41[/i] also refers to Him as such [i]Luke 1:42[/i]

[b]Jesus[/b] hehe, you cannot disagree with invoking His Holy Name in prayer

[b]Oh clement, oh loving, oh sweet Virgin Mary[/b] Virgin Mary- She pledged a life of virginity all her life, which was the only reason she was so shocked and didn't understand how she could bear a child without 'knowing man' [i]Luke 1:34[/i] it's not she hadn't yet known man, but she DOESN'T know man, that means past present and future. clement- loving- one who is filled with grace and most blessed of all women [i]Luke 1:28[/i] will be called blessed by every generation [i] Luke 1:48[/i] who heard the word of God and kept it as a model for all [i]Luke 11:28[/i] would of COURSE be loving, she is shown to be one of the greates of Jesus' disciples, she spent 30 years with Him hearing His message, so she must have gotten this message of love more than anyone. clement and sweet- same verses, blessed and grace-filled would of course produce a very sweet woman who is good and merciful, she spent thirty years with the one who is source of all mercy, don't you think a lil of His goodness, His sweetness, His love, at least rubbed off? she's in heaven, and those that stand before the Father are perfected [i]Matthew 5:48[/i]

[b]Pray for us oh holy mother of God[/b] pray for us- intercession of the mother of the king again [i]1 Kings 2:17, 20; 1 Kings 2:18; 1 Kings 2:19; 1 Kings 15:13; 2 Chron. 22:10; Neh. 2:6[/i] holy- [i]2 Chron. 8:11[/i] [i]Luke 1:28[/i] [i]Luke 1:35[/i] mother of God- [i]Luke 1:43[/i]

[b]that we may be found worthy of the promises of Christ[/b] first that we are unworthy servants [i]Luke 17:10[/i] then that we can be made worthy through Christ "by His wounds we are healed" [i]Isaiah 53:5[/i] He promised to heal us and to give us a light yoke [i]Matthew 11:30[/i] and He promised also that we would be persecuted [i]Matthew 24:9[/i] but that is a blessing [i]Matthew 5:12[/i] he gave the promise of eternal life [i]John 3:16[/i] if we do the will of His father [i]Matthew 5:48; Matthew 7:21[/i]

anyway, i figured since it's a scary new thing, i should walk through step by step with you with the scriptures.

peace be with you on your journey, follow God's will.

Pax et Amorque Christi [/quote]
brotha adam, didya read this post? what do you think?

hehe, i spent a lil chunk of time compiling that, i'd appreciate some feedback

[Good Friday]

[quote]I bought it about 6 months ago from Family Christian clearanced at 90% off (go figure, they never sell any) and it broke... maybe its a sign? lol j/k[/quote]
Bro. Adam, do you need another Rosary? I'd be glad to send one. It's only a cheap plastic one, but a Rosary nonetheless. Actually, it has lasted since my freshman year of high school, cheap though it may be. The plastic ones are actually more durable than the other kinds. I have another plastic one that's lasted since kindergarten, but I won't part with it for sentimental reasons.

Anyway, let me know if you need another Rosary, and I'll be happy to send you one.