I'm Not At "mass" But In Church...

[MagiDragon]

Hey guys,
another thing that even Protestants must concede is that scripture is *not* open to personal interpretation:

Know this first of all, that ther is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation . . . (2 Peter 1:20 NAB)

[Dave]

Yet many say the Holy Spirit guides them in interpretation, in other words, that it's the Holy Spirit doing the interpreting, not them -- despite the fact that they come to different conclusions!

[Brother Adam]

The Holy Spirit only leads me. haha.

Edited April 4, 2004 by Brother Adam

[MagiDragon]

[quote]The Holy Spirit only leads me. haha.  [/quote]

yah know, i think that may just be true . . . you seem to allow for a wee bit more guidance than most non-Catholics i know.

hmmm . . . i'm gonna have to edit that passage, i *really* shouldn't have let myself mispell a word from Scripture . . .

dah! . . . i can't correct it any more!.

anyway, it *should* read:
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation . . . (2 Peter 1:20 NAB)

Dratted 'e' didn't want to do it's job!

Edited April 4, 2004 by MagiDragon

[Bruce S]

[quote]Yet many [Protestants] say the Holy Spirit guides them in interpretation, in other words, that it's the Holy Spirit doing the interpreting, not them -- despite the fact that they come to different conclusions![/quote]

Ah, that DOESN'T happen MORESO with the Catholic Church than any other denomination?

Tell Cardinal Newman, the "Patron Saint" of moving doctrine...

[url="http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/index.html"]http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/index.html[/url]

I submit, that the Catholic Church a LOT of men "coming to different conclusions" OR is Newman incorrect in his works?

Of course, that is just RENAMED, the "Development of Doctrine" never, NEW doctrine...just developed MORE than the doctrine that existed BEFORE.

More double talk.

Edited April 4, 2004 by Bruce S

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]Of course, that is just RENAMED, the "Development of Doctrine" never, NEW doctrine...just developed MORE than the doctrine that existed BEFORE.

More double talk. [/quote]

You need to know what your making statements about first, before you can make such statements.

It shows knowledge is lacking. lol

Whatever!

God Bless
Jason

Edited April 4, 2004 by Jason

[Bruce S]

[quote]Newman: "Moreover, an idea not only modifies, but is modified, or at least influenced, by the state of things in which it is carried out, and is dependent in various ways on the circumstances which surround it. Its development proceeds quickly or slowly, as it may be; the order of succession in its separate stages is variable; it shows differently in a small sphere of action and in an extended; it may be interrupted, retarded, mutilated, distorted, by external violence; it maybe enfeebled by the effort of ridding itself of domestic foes; it may be impeded and swayed or even absorbed by counter energetic ideas; it may be coloured by the received tone of thought into which it comes, or depraved by the intrusion of foreign principles, or at length shattered by the development of some original fault within it."[/quote]

This sounds like MOVING doctrine to me....

Now remember, I'm QUOTING from the man that the Catholic Church wants to elevate to Sainthood, the man that invented the concept of the Magisterium being always retroactively right.

[PassionistF]

Bruce,

I'm happy to hear that you are assisting at Mass and will pray that you continue to attend not so much to find faults or differences, but perhaps to hear what God wants you to hear from Him.

The Sacrifice of the Mass is where we offer our praise due to God the Father.

I would ask that you pay particular attention to the two parts of the Mass: The Liturgy of the Word followed by the Liturgy of the Eucharist. This of course is the tradition that the early Christians followed in the catacombs and in hiding for fear of persecution. They never stopped offering the Mass despite very real persecution. To me as a covert, that speaks volumes about the Liturgical form used by the Church today. There were no "Bibles", Scripture was shared orally and yet they continued to gather in secret, some died to do so.

First, they received the word orally (note, there were no pews or "Bibles" in them either) and the faithful responded in their participation with the Psalter or by singing or repeating the Psalms and then of course, the Gospel was proclaimed first and then explained (homily). Often times, it is forgotten that the Bible comes from the Church and not the other way around.

Once fed by the Word, those faithful who had examined themselves and were found eligible (1 Cor. 11:26-31) would partake in the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

And when the Priest, celebrating in persona Christi says the words "The Mass is ended, go in peace to love and serve the Lord", he is not ending our responsibility at the doors of the Parish. Our mission as Christians begin there to "go forth, to be sent" (Missa).

Whatever your current standing, Catholic or non-Catholic, like it or not, you are assisting in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and are charged to do the same.

My only question would be this: Is what you do and say here in line with doing just that?

Peace to you always,

[Bruce S]

[quote]Whatever your current standing, Catholic or non-Catholic, like it or not, you are assisting in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and are charged to do the same.

My only question would be this: Is what you do and say here in line with doing just that?

[/quote]

No, of course not, I'm the heretic, don't forget that. I'm the Protestant version of Kerry, going to service at the other side, BUT...unlike Kerry, I don't profane your service by pretending I'm entitled to communion, by the terms set forth, I don't qualify now, and I accept that gracefully....

[PassionistF]

Let's back things up here a minute Bruce... You responded to the latter part of my summary and not the former....

My last question was asked with reference to the Mass being ended: I'll quote myself here...

[i]"And when the Priest, celebrating in persona Christi says the words "The Mass is ended, go in peace to love and serve the Lord", he is not ending our responsibility at the doors of the Parish. Our mission as Christians begin there to "go forth, to be sent" (Missa).

Whatever your current standing, Catholic or non-Catholic, like it or not, you are assisting in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and are charged to do the same.

My only question would be this: Is what you do and say here in line with doing just that?"[/i]

Perhaps I should have been more direct by simply asking what part you see yourself playing in the charge "Go in peace to love and serve the Lord" and whether or not you see some of your interactions with others here as being in line with doing just that.

And as an aside, regardless of our "eligibility" with regard to reception of the Holy Eucharist, we are as Christians charged with going forth (again, the Missa ... it is sent) and proclaiming the Gospel by living it.

Is your response to that still going to stand as written? Just trying to clarify.

Another question if I may: Since attending Mass, after the Priest proclaims those words "Go in peace to love and serve the Lord" (or similar ones), do you respond by saying "Thanks be to God?" Just curious, that is all.

And I appreciate your reverence with regard to the reception of Christ's Body and Blood.

Peace,

Edited April 6, 2004 by PassionistF