Stop Judicial Tyranny

[ironmonk]

[b]Tell Congress not to let Massachusetts force their decision on every citizen in America![/b]


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[megamattman1]

omgosh,
I can't say that that is judicial tyranny. I must be a bad Catholic but I do not see how that judge is practicing judicial tryanny. It'd be tyranny for him not to do what he thinks is just and what probably is just.

I guess we'll have to see what the majority of the public feels to see if it is tryanny.

But not matter what the public thinks, I agree with the 4-3 decision. But that's just me. I know no one will agree, and don't bother, I am praying for my own soul.

Edited March 12, 2004 by megamattman1

[ironmonk]

[quote name='megamattman1' date='Mar 12 2004, 01:06 PM'] omgosh,
I can't say that that is judicial tyranny. I must be a bad Catholic but I do not see how that judge is practicing judicial tryanny. It'd be tyranny for him not to do what he thinks is just and what probably is just.

I guess we'll have to see what the majority of the public feels to see if it is tryanny.

But not matter what the public thinks, I agree with the 4-3 decision. But that's just me. I know no one will agree, and don't bother, I am praying for my own soul. [/quote]
To agree with it would mean that you are going against Church teaching

The majority of people do not want it. The majority of people do not want abortion.

It is judicial tyranny because the judicial branch is not to make laws, they are to enforce them. Many in the judicial branch are guilty of treason in the fact that they abuse their power and go against the Law of the US. They are ruling, not the people. Freedom of religion is a lie because we are not free when the majority want morals and the judicial system does not.

Abortion was outlawed - they said it's ok because a woman has a right to privacy. This tells us that we can kill anyone as long as it's done in private.

Sodomy was outlawed - they said it was ok because of privacy.

Marriage is between a man and a woman and has been for thousands of years, same sex marriage SHOULD NOT be allowed under any circumstances.

Our government will fall if ssm is allowed... just like all the empires in the past that accepted the abomination. It might be the end of the world but none the less, it will fall.


God Bless.
ironmonk

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]I know no one will agree, and don't bother, I am praying for my own soul.[/quote]

Come to the dark side megamattman.

You use the word tyranny as if it can only be applied to people in the majority being pushed around by the minority. Maybe it could be concieved as tyranny but that's not typical use of the word. Tyanny is usually used in reference to minorities being pushed around by majorities. Yet the fathers of the Constitution recognized allowing for minority rights to avoid true tryanny.


From conservative Fox News:
[quote]A Gallup Poll conducted in late October found that 64 percent of registered voters over the age of 30 think that homosexual marriage, with rights afforded to traditional married couples, should not be recognized. The poll found 32 percent said it should.

But a Fox News-Opinion Dynamics poll in September showed 46 percent of respondents would support civil unions as opposed to 44 percent who would not. [/quote]

So the majority of the people don't support homosexual marriage but support civil union. It is against Catholic teaching to allow for civil unions.

But if civil unions are allowed, soon it'd be seen as silly not to allow for the term "marriage" too.

I agree that perhaps we should make marriage by civil law to be only couples that have children for the betterment of society. But we give marriage to couples who can not have children so why not gays. It's just common human decency, in fact, considering others is [i]the moral thing to do[/i]. I think that's true democracy.

[url="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy"]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy[/url]
[quote]
de·moc·ra·cy    (d-mkr-s)  n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
A political or social unit that has such a government.
The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
Majority rule.
[i]The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community[/i].
[/quote]

But to the core of the issue: actually finding a reason why homosexual unions, at least, are wrong in society. You can jump on megamatt cuz he's catholic, but as for me, you have to say something other than "just because". ? How can you be so cold hearted toward homosexuals?

Edited March 13, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c

[mulls]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Mar 12 2004, 12:30 PM']

Our government will fall if ssm is allowed... just like all the empires in the past that accepted the abomination. It might be the end of the world but none the less, it will fall.


[/quote]
Monk,



can you give me some references of the previous empires that accepted it and consequently fell?


i'd be very very interested to study this matter. also are there any scriptural warnings/prophecies about this, concerning entire countries or empires?


thanks a lot.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='mulls' date='Mar 13 2004, 11:45 PM'] Monk,



can you give me some references of the previous empires that accepted it and consequently fell?


i'd be very very interested to study this matter. also are there any scriptural warnings/prophecies about this, concerning entire countries or empires?


thanks a lot. [/quote]
Read Romans 1.
Canaanites
Sodom & Gamorah
The Roman Empire
The Anceint Greeks


Every society that started to accept homosexual acts as normal fell... one way or another, they all fell by the hand of God.

The USA is falling fast. Certain things have been allowed in this country that has spread like cancer.

There is a huge enemy that could possibly take us out... China. Yeah, we have a lot of arms, but China is still communist. They're huge. They have the means to be secretly massing an armory to take us out. With so much high tech being made over there, and industrial components, they could launch an attack that would be devistating to the USA. They have the man power. I'm not saying this will happen, but it could. They could be the tool that God would use if ssa marriage comes to pass to take us out... unless the end comes first, but then again, they could be a key piece to the end. God uses the wicked to accomplish His will.

Watch, if kerry gets elected, the first thing he will do is pay for infantcide worldwide, and then allow ssa marriages, which they wouldn't be marriages but a mockery of them. Then you'll see the incest marriages and poligamy laws being shot down, then they will marry...

The USA needs a major overhaul... mainly in the judicial area. All demo politicians at state level should be jailed... Kerry saying that the GOP were crooks was so on purpose. What a moron.... he's just a liar like clinton was.

I can't fathom why any Catholic would vote for him... unless they weren't really Catholic.

---it's late and I'm drifting...

God Bless,
ironmonk

[mulls]

wow, thanks.



i was hoping more for some OT prophecies that pointed to a region and said that would happen, and it did happen. obviously i know about sodom and gomorrah, but i will check out the greeks and romans a little more. thanks again.

[Good Friday]

[quote]It is judicial tyranny because the judicial branch is not to make laws, they are to enforce them.[/quote]
Max, I agree with your basic point, I just wanted to clarify this. But let me say again: I agree with your basic point, and I think judicial tyranny does have to stop.

But actually, it is the job of the legislative branch to make laws, the job of the executive branch to enforce them, and the job of the judicial branch to interpret them. That's why law enforcement -- FBI, CIA, etc. -- fall under the Department of Justice, in the executive branch. So it is actually the job of the courts to interpret existing laws, but not to make new ones.

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court assumed the right to judicial review a very long time ago, to decide whether or not laws are constitutional. This power is not in any way given to any court by the Constitution itself, so one could say that judicial review is unconstitutional. But the executive and legislative branches of the government have allowed the courts to continue with powers that are not given to them by the Constitution, and now we're here.

Anyway, I just wanted to clarify that.

[PedroX]

To make a minor historical disputation...

The scholarship that attempts to prove that homosexuality was widely accepted by the Greeks and Romans is a bit sketchy, and mostly comes from modern revisionists. Their wide spread decadence was surely a factor, but to say that homosexuality was normalized within their cultures would be a bit of a stretch.

Carry on.

peace...

[Donna]

Mulls, in Scripture wherever is mentioned God giving the nation over to the enemy, take note....usually for idolatry; going against the 1st Commanndment [i]I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.[/i]

In Romans (I believe) it speaks specifically of homosexual acts as being a fruit of loving the creature instead of the Creator...or, putting the creature before God. Which is having false gods before Him; sexual deviancy is one form of idolatry. Along w/ many others including fornication, etc; and many attachments which have nothing to do with the Sixth Commandment.

[b]We should take note:[/b]

That the biggest problem in God's eyes, which we see confirmed through revelations (esp. re: French seers like St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, and Sister Marie Pierre re: the Holy Face reparation, and La Salette) are [i]violations against the First Commandment, which always lead to violations against the 2nd and 3rd [/i](blasphemy and the profaning of the Sabbath).

In all three of the above revelations (Church approved; devotions institued and spread, confraternities arisen) Jesus - or Our Lady - specifically warn against the great and terrible wrath that Nations bring upon themselves.

The falling of a nation is a particularly grave evil.

The work of repration is absolutely necessary.

And indeed, it IS Sodom all over again, in that if reparation is not made for blasphemy, etc, esp when it is public and national, watch out. So, those little cloistered Carmelites and others who DO this kind of reparation are IMHO, the 10 just men found in the slutty city, which prevent God from destroying it.

[color=red]There is a heirarchy to the Commandments. The first three are Gods:[/color] Him, His Holy Name, His Holy Day. The other violations could well be symptoms or rotten fruits of of discarding only the First.

Ironmonk, we see being fulfilled in front of our eyes what Jesus said to Sr Marie Pierre in the 19th Century: that Heaven from now on will chastize the world by means of "revolutionary men."

When I get a chance, I'll post the fightin' prayers, given as a remedy by Jesus and Mary, to you and me, via the Church.