I Feel Sheltered

[Maria_Faustina]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1698757' date='Nov 10 2008, 01:53 AM']Also, the Paulist women (though they aren't technically Paulists) can be pretty intense when they have incense bowls in their hands.

[url="http://www.paulist.org/150/story_gala.php#"]http://www.paulist.org/150/story_gala.php#[/url][/quote]

Ah yes, my home parish would be one of the ones that thinks a woman dancing with incense at the Epiphany is absolutely necessary and...symbolic, and...um.. well, I was going to say "liturgically allowed," but sadly, I know my parish defies the liturgy with full knowledge (they do the same with the Gloria, for example...because our music director doesn't have a version of it he likes, he just leaves it out sometimes. He and the other people that decide the music have actually told each other "We won't tell if you don't", *wink wink* You think the priest would notice...). And like someone above said, the girl who usually does it is actually a very good dancer.. she's a friend of my family. But you already knew all this, Brigid.

[daytondog]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1699031' date='Nov 10 2008, 05:06 PM']+J.M.J.+
umm, hello? brigid said it was in Australia. they might have different rules there.[/quote]

It doesn't matter what country or "culture" it is. Liturgical dance is NEVER appropriate at Mass under any circumstances. If there is some dispensation existing somewhere that permits it, that dispensation should be revoked immediately. Please indicate the city in Australia that this occured so the appropriate bishop can be made aware.

[CatherineM]

I don't so much have a problem if it is cultural, and it is on a specific feast day. I think the First Nation church here does something like that, but what happened at our church, at Easter no less, was not in anyway cultural, it was just "interpretation."

[Lil Red]

[quote name='daytondog' post='1699075' date='Nov 10 2008, 03:30 PM']It doesn't matter what country or "culture" it is. Liturgical dance is NEVER appropriate at Mass under any circumstances. If there is some dispensation existing somewhere that permits it, that dispensation should be revoked immediately. Please indicate the city in Australia that this occured so the appropriate bishop can be made aware.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
you best check yourself. it IS allowed in Africa (not sure if all cultures/countries though).

[Noel's angel]

Allowances are made for 'mission lands'. Australia, America and Europe are not among those places where such allowances are made for cultural reasons.

[Galloglasses' Alt]

The West has culture now?

[Noel's angel]

Says who?

[Jarrah]

How sad it is to see this supposedly Christian forum used as a vehicle to judge and ridicule people from another nation and another culture, about whom you admit you have little knowledge, and who do not even have the opportunity to defend themselves. I can’t help but remember the words Jesus spoke in Matthew 23:27-28 “ You are like whitewashed tombs, which look fine on the outside, but are full of dead men’s bones and decaying corpses on the inside. In the same way, on the outside you appear to everybody as good, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and sins.”

[CHRISTINEH]

[quote name='Church Punk' post='1699015' date='Nov 10 2008, 05:46 PM']Ridiculous. Is it the mass or a pow wow?

Ive seen pretty bad before too. A young woman in way too pants and top dancing with a bowl of water and this was the Easter Vigil weird eh?[/quote]

A Pow-Wow, especially the dancing, is a gathering to honor God for all His gifts. It is solemn, sacred, and humbling.
Each feather and bead has meaning.
Authentic Native American rugs, beading, etc, have a flaw. Reason...Only God is perfect.

People wear their native attire to meet the Pope.
I think Our Lord smiled on these women. They represented their countries at Mass, in their finest clothing.

[CHRISTINEH]

[quote name='alicemary' post='1699041' date='Nov 10 2008, 05:40 PM']This is in Australia, among Samoans. I doubt reporting this to your bishop is going to help much. A little open mindness might be nice on this phorum. Attitudes here scare me more then someone dancing in their culture at their Mass in their country.,[/quote]

Well put, especially about the attitudes.

[CHRISTINEH]

[quote name='Galloglasses' Alt' post='1699123' date='Nov 10 2008, 07:42 PM']The West has culture now?[/quote]
Remember....We are ALL God's children

[CHRISTINEH]

[quote name='Jarrah' post='1700019' date='Nov 12 2008, 03:38 AM']How sad it is to see this supposedly Christian forum used as a vehicle to judge and ridicule people from another nation and another culture, about whom you admit you have little knowledge, and who do not even have the opportunity to defend themselves. I can’t help but remember the words Jesus spoke in Matthew 23:27-28 “ You are like whitewashed tombs, which look fine on the outside, but are full of dead men’s bones and decaying corpses on the inside. In the same way, on the outside you appear to everybody as good, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and sins.”[/quote]

Your comments spoke volumes.

It is an immature mind that judges and ridicules people of another culture or another nation, especially when they are giving praise to Our Lord.

[CHRISTINEH]

[quote name='Noel's angel' post='1699124' date='Nov 10 2008, 07:46 PM']Says who?[/quote]

GOD !

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Jarrah' post='1700019' date='Nov 12 2008, 02:38 AM']How sad it is to see this supposedly Christian forum used as a vehicle to judge and ridicule people from another nation and another culture, about whom you admit you have little knowledge, and who do not even have the opportunity to defend themselves. I can’t help but remember the words Jesus spoke in Matthew 23:27-28 “ You are like whitewashed tombs, which look fine on the outside, but are full of dead men’s bones and decaying corpses on the inside. In the same way, on the outside you appear to everybody as good, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and sins.”[/quote]


i'll have to memorize this...


...this is a great Scripture verse to throw around when you don't agree with someone....

[Noel's angel]

People on here were simply expressing the opinion (which is also Church teaching) that liturgical dance is not appropriate, except in specific circumstances (i.e. when celebrating Mass in Africa). That is not showing disrespect to anyone's culture. I'm Irish but do I want to do Irish dancing at Mass? No. Because that WOULD be disrespectful.