popestpiusx Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 The danger with this document (and with Cardinal Kasper's approach to ecumenism in general) is that while both sides may agree to some formulation of words, they do not agree as to what the words mean. The joint declarations are misleading because they make it appear as though there is a theological agreement where one does not exist. It is all about equivocation. What would be a massive step in the right direction is if these folks issued a glossary defining very precisely what the terms meant. I would then be more inclined to think happy thoughts about the declaration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 (edited) "I would then be more inclined to think happy thoughts about the declaration." LOL Edited March 17, 2004 by Donna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted March 17, 2004 Share Posted March 17, 2004 St.PiusX, Well said. On NPR the other day, Ira Glass was talking about how ridiculous it is to argue over issues. The reason? Because we don't even agree what the issues are. How can we be involved in meaningful ecumenism (which should have as its goal reunification with Rome) when we don't even agree on what "justification" means? Or, what "church" means? I am happy anytime we Christians are nice to each other, and I'm thrilled to see the Lutherans begin making baby steps, but I am not sure that this means what many think it does. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest catholic-for-christ Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 [font="Arial"]Well said! Pax Frateri[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Mar 13 2004, 12:04 PM'] Luther would agree with this state ment because it is so vaque like that dude said. Isn't that what the CC teaches though? Even if it's the grace of God that compels you to do the works as the CC teaches, it's still your cooperation with the works that justifies you and allows you to be forgiven. So while on a vaque term they'd agree with this, many protestants would still not agree with the CC in full bc they see it's teaching as a subtle yet nearly complete rejection of the true gosple. I'm not saying who's right or wrong, it all depends on context, I"m just saying that's what's believed. Is this a wrong assesment? [/quote] we do not earn salvation by works. please quit saying that do some research: go [b][url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=7728"]here[/url][/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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