Can You Be Pro-life But Not Want Abortions Illegal?

[prose]

Can you be against all forms of abortion, and yet still think that abortions should be legal?

Before you immediately respond with "no", seriously consider the question. I am not asking if YOU could support any forms of legal abortion, I am asking if anyone could consider themselves pro-life (anti-abortion), but still think that legalizing or decriminalizing abortion is okay.

[geetarplayer]

Can you be pro-blacks but not want lynchings illegal?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='geetarplayer' post='1694450' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:22 AM']Can you be pro-blacks but not want lynchings illegal?[/quote]
Yes.

[dUSt]

Can you be against rape but still want rape to be legal?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1694455' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:26 AM']Can you be against rape but still want rape to be legal?[/quote]
Yes.

[dUSt]

Can you be against logic but still want people to use it?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1694459' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:30 AM']Can you be against logic but still want people to use it?[/quote]
See: radically conservative Catholics.

[Hassan]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1694459' date='Nov 5 2008, 01:30 PM']Can you be against logic but still want people to use it?[/quote]

that position is not illogical unless you conflate legal statutes with moral imperatives. You beleive that missing mass on Sundays is morally wrong for Catholics, do you want all CEO Catholics arrested?

[Hassan]

[quote name='prose' post='1694415' date='Nov 5 2008, 12:55 PM']Can you be against all forms of abortion, and yet still think that abortions should be legal?

Before you immediately respond with "no", seriously consider the question. I am not asking if YOU could support any forms of legal abortion, I am asking if anyone could consider themselves pro-life (anti-abortion), but still think that legalizing or decriminalizing abortion is okay.[/quote]


Yes.

There is no conflict between beleiving the Constitution allows for women to have abortions while not beleiving that it is moral.

[rkwright]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1694469' date='Nov 5 2008, 12:35 PM']Yes.

There is no conflict between beleiving the Constitution allows for women to have abortions while not beleiving that it is moral.[/quote]

This only holds if you believe the unborn is not a constitutional person.

If the unborn is a person, which the pro-lifer believes, then there is something illogical in believing you have a person without a right to life.

[rkwright]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1694466' date='Nov 5 2008, 12:33 PM']that position is not illogical unless you conflate legal statutes with moral imperatives. You beleive that missing mass on Sundays is morally wrong for Catholics, do you want all CEO Catholics arrested?[/quote]

All laws are based on some moral imperative.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1694481' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:44 AM']All laws are based on some moral imperative.[/quote]
However, that does not mean that every one of your morals should be a law. Not all morals are to be attributed to a particular religious tradition. For example, stopping at a red light. We do it to avoid chaos which can lead to accidents. Is that some kind of Catholic dogma?

[Hassan]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1694477' date='Nov 5 2008, 01:43 PM']This only holds if you believe the unborn is not a constitutional person.[/quote]


Even Scalia does not claim it does.

[quote]If the unborn is a person, which the pro-lifer believes, then there is something illogical in believing you have a person without a right to life.[/quote]

it's tricky

[dUSt]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1694469' date='Nov 5 2008, 12:35 PM']Yes.

There is no conflict between beleiving the Constitution allows for women to have abortions while not beleiving that it is moral.[/quote]
If you believe abortion is immoral then you believe the unborn child is person.

If you believe the unborn child is person then you would have to believe that the constitution allows women to kill people.

If you believe the constitution allows citizens to kill innocent people, then there would be no conflict.

That is illogical. If you are promoting this argument, then in theory, we can believe that the constitution allows anything, and therefore, all laws are pointless.

[Hassan]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1694493' date='Nov 5 2008, 02:00 PM']If you believe abortion is immoral then you believe the unborn child is person.[/quote]

Generally, I would not say that is necessar;y the case

[quote]If you believe the unborn child is person then you would have to believe that the constitution allows women to kill people.[/quote]

sure.

[quote]If you believe the constitution allows citizens to kill innocent people, then there would be no conflict.[/quote]

no. Simply because you beleive the unborn is a person does not mean the constitution recognises the unborn as a person and/or a citizen

[quote]That is illogical. If you are promoting this argument, then in theory, we can believe that the constitution allows anything, and therefore, all laws are pointless.[/quote]
no