Bright Side Of Entering A Monastery In Europe

[Thomist-in-Training]

Less time under the rule of President *cough cough, I can't say it* ---you-know-who.

[Gemma]

[quote name='Thomist-in-Training' post='1693534' date='Nov 5 2008, 01:24 AM']Less time under the rule of President *cough cough, I can't say it* ---you-know-who.

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Whatever you learn about permanent visas, please let me know. There's a boatload of American vocations headed to Europe.

Blessings,
Gemma

[Laudem Gloriae]

As I am looking at orders overseas myself, the best way to get citizenship easily in most of Europe I have found in my situation is to get an Irish passport which will give me Irish citizenship which will let me live in England without a visa. With this passport, you are free to live and travel in any of the countries that are part of this - forget what the term is! - union? or something? I have looked into to this for awhile and the Irish passport is the quickest and cheapest and I can live in England or Ireland as I am looking at orders in both.

I am even right now, an unofficial Irish citizenship due to my mom having been born and raised in Ireland and all her family is there. If you have an Irish born parent or grandparent you can get this Irish passport - barring any legal or criminal problems! - for 130 and, for me, my mom's long form birth certificate and marriage license and my documents.

I imagine it works if you have an English born parent and grandparent too.

Before I knew th is, I was looking at the traditional US passport and then a permanent visa to England - this visa would have cost me $400 and then it could even be denied. For me in Texas, the nearest Irish Consulate that I emailed and who has sent me the Irish passport application is the one in Chicago. Here are some links:

EMBASSY OF IRELAND IN THE US: [url="http://www.embassyofireland.org/home/index.aspx?id=30794"]http://www.embassyofireland.org/home/index.aspx?id=30794[/url]

IRISH REGISTRAR OF VITAL RECORDS - [url="http://genealogy.about.com/library/vital/blireland.htm"]http://genealogy.about.com/library/vital/blireland.htm[/url] and the link to the PDF download of forms/applications [url="http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.groireland.ie/apply%5Ffor%5Fa%5Fcert.htm"]http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offs...%5Fa%5Fcert.htm[/url] - if you need a Irish born parent's birth certificate or if they were married in Ireland.

HOW TO APPLY FOR IRISH CITIZENSHIP BY DESCENT: [url="http://genealogy.about.com/library/weekly/aa030802b.htm"]http://genealogy.about.com/library/weekly/aa030802b.htm[/url]

LIST OF THE IRISH EMBASSY AND CONSULATES IN THE US: [url="http://www.embassyofireland.org/home/index.aspx?id=5535"]http://www.embassyofireland.org/home/index.aspx?id=5535[/url]

[puellapaschalis]

Getting UK citizenship if you weren't born there [i]and[/i] have British parents is a minefield of regulations that makes a nerd like me very happy.

I wouldn't give up on the US. If you lot all leave, who's going to help the unborn there? And their mothers? The work of God will always be needed: you might just have to work and fight harder.

[osapientia]

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1694314' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:35 AM']Getting UK citizenship if you weren't born there [i]and[/i] have British parents is a minefield of regulations that makes a nerd like me very happy.

I wouldn't give up on the US. If you lot all leave, who's going to help the unborn there? And their mothers? The work of God will always be needed: you might just have to work and fight harder.[/quote]

Well said puella. I was just thinking this myself...the battle rages on, perhaps this is a wake up call for us.

peace

[Brother Ed]

[quote name='osapientia' post='1694348' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:12 AM']Well said puella. I was just thinking this myself...the battle rages on, perhaps this is a wake up call for us.

peace[/quote]


I also agree with what Puella said..... How sad it would be if people with vocations left our country. There is still much work that needs to be done. We are the ones who are not in charge, not even the President. "God is and always will be in charge" Keep praying to our Blessed Mother who is the Patron of the United States. Great is the Faithfulness!

Pax et Bonum,
bro. ed

[the lords sheep]

I agree with what was said that we need to be a strong-hold for our country, but if God is calling you to Europe (to enter a monastery, or in my case, to work and study), do what God is calling you to do.
That said, immigration to Europe can be really messy. REALLY MESSY. If you are lucky enough to have a parent/grandparent through whom you can claim citizenship in any one of the EU nations, it can help, but it doesn't always guarantee anything (depends which country your family is from and which one you're trying to enter).
From what it seems to me, outside of the Schengen agreement (which is essentially a short term visa- 90 days of every 180), it varies country to country, so if they want to enter a monastery there, they're best to contact that embassy in the US.
God bless!

[Laudem Gloriae]

Well, not to open a can of worms again, but I am pretty much forced to leave the US for my vocation as I am 48 and will be 49 on 11/10, And so that means not many orders - the ones I am drawn to: full habit, traditional, etc - especially Carmel - are open to my age while the UK and Ireland are. I am pretty much taken to enter Sheffield Carmel (http://www.kirkedge.org.uk/index.html) which is so traditional it would curl your toes if I told all! And if not that Carmel than St. Helen's there and even a PCC order in Dublin Ireland I had written too. So that is the reason for the possible - and more than possible! - reason for leaving the US.

Of course I'd rather not l eave my country and family and go so far away, but it's this country's "age" thing that is making myself and many others leave while the UK and Ireland have a very high percentage of orders I've looked at, written too that either have NO age limit or a very upper one!.

[VeniteAdoremus]

I am just now thinking about how happy I should be that, although I'll be crossing borders, the sea, and cultures, I don't even have to get a passport.

I think.

PP, do I need to get a passport or is my ID card good enough?

[puellapaschalis]

Theoretically speaking your ID card is enough. But passports are way cooler.

[she_who_is_not]

I do support vocations going to Ireland, if they are so called. They need reevangelization.

[Saint Therese]

I have to admit I sort of agree that discerners shouldn't abandon our country.

[Brother Ed]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1694939' date='Nov 5 2008, 09:06 PM']I have to admit I sort of agree that discerners shouldn't abandon our country.[/quote]



We need to pray that Religious Community's here will look at there age requirement. Hopefully by the grace of God, the community's will realize that there are many older vocations out there. When God calls us, He does not look at age, but He looks at the gifts we have to offer. I should know, I am one of them. I took my final vows last year at the young age of 46... and loving every minute of it...... My community does not have an age limit. Yes we are new only 3 years old, we are currently working on our canonical status with the archdiocese of Boston. We do have their support and permission to function. I was the first brother to profess my final promises publicly last year.....We are in the States of Mass., Rhode Island, Conn. New York, New Jersey So who knows..... through much prayer, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit hopefully we will also have a Community of Sisters to Journey with us also. I will keep you all posted on that.

Many blessings,
Bro. Ed

[Saint Therese]

I agree. I don't think there should be an age limit. If a candidate has a vocation, and can live the life , how could they turn them down solely on age? i know why its done, but it just seems such a shame, since there is supposedly, a vocatations shortage.

[Laudem Gloriae]

That's why many people like myself looking abroad is upset with age limits - if the UK and Ireland and who knows where else either have no age limits or a higher one and they are "tough " orders like Carmels and Poor Clare Colettines, etc. why not the US? It's not like the orders in Europe are "easy" or so lax than anyone could persevere! So what is the difference between the US orders and European orders other and beliefs, attitudes and a big ocean! There are a few orders in the US that think this way (like the European orders) but not enough.

When I first wrote the Sheffield Carmel asking about their age limit, Mother Mary wrote me "We have never had an age limit, if God gives the vocation, He gives the grace to live it and persevere. Who are we to tell God no as He does call men and women at different ages and times in their lives?"

And I have gotten very nasty like answers from orders! Pretty much get lost and go join a third order! Which if they read my letter to them SAYS I was in a third order (Carmelite) and new I was called to more! Not all orders were or are condescending or nasty-like but the few that were shocked me! I had to double check the envelope to make sure it WAS a monastery this letter or email came from! lol!