Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1693337' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:03 PM']Race shouldn't matter either way. If we reversed it and said, "I really really really really want McCain to win-- I think him being white is just so great!" ...yeah that makes sense. Race is not an issue -- it never should have been before, and it never should be now. In some respects there's something to be said for the days before the Kennedy-Nixon TV debate. You know, where people actually read about issues extensively and debates were done over the radio and weren't distracted by things like appearances.[/quote] ash wensday i agree with you but the truth of the matter is we have never had a black president up for election. sure they shouldnt vote for him just because hes black. but i dont think thats the only reason they are voting for him. im sure they like other things about him to. but for them to be excited about a black man becoming presidnt for the first time should be of no suprise. and i dont feel they should be put down for it either. if i was black i would be thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I don't think Obama is some baby-eating antichrist, myself. I could care less that he's black, white, red, purple, green, or from outer space (as long as he has the legitimate birth certificate as a U.S. citizen!) I disagree with him strongly on a lot of issues and I don't buy into his ideas about "spreading the wealth". Nothing more, nothing less. I don't think supporting any candidate because of race makes any sense at all. Do people do it? Yes. It's understandable. But it doesn't mean it's right. And people sure were calling Bill an antichrist or similar things, from what I remember. I was in high school and college during his presidency. I remember one of my baptist friends telling me how her mother was weeping the morning after he was elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1693336' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:01 PM']And how long ago was all this? Futhermore, it would be one thing if they were supporting Obama because they knew anything about his political ideology (which, even if they did, they probably wouldn't care--stats showed that an overwhelming majority of black Americans believe OJ Simpson is innocent of double-murder--that is, they decided he was innocent even before the trial), but they are supporting him becuase somehow they have the misguided idea that having a black President is somehow going change their lives, like they are winning the lottery.[/quote] lol this is such a ignorant statement if you are attempting to speak for all arican americans. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1693343' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:10 PM']I don't think Obama is some baby-eating antichrist, myself. I could care less that he's black, white, red, purple, green, or from outer space (as long as he has the legitimate birth certificate as a U.S. citizen!) I disagree with him strongly on a lot of issues and I don't buy into his ideas about "spreading the wealth". Nothing more, nothing less. I don't think supporting any candidate because of race makes any sense at all. Do people do it? Yes. It's understandable. But it doesn't mean it's right. And people sure were calling Bill an antichrist or similar things, from what I remember. I was in high school and college during his presidency. I remember one of my baptist friends telling me how her mother was weeping the morning after he was elected.[/quote] again i agree with everyting you say. i just think when catholics go off on how its a one ticket to hell to vote for obama its wrong. if there talking to catholics fine, but when you are talking to other people i think it crosses the line. black christains who support obama are not going to take it well when you tell them that voting for obama is voting for hitler, the antichrist, satan and so foth. Edited November 5, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1693340' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:07 PM']if i was black i would be thrilled.[/quote] So, if you, yourself, woke up and were suddenly black, you would be thrilled? All your other convictions would be thrown out the window? I almost find that kind of sentiment to be a bit demeaning towards blacks, really. Surely they like the idea of "one of their own" being in office but there's so much more to it than that, or at least there should be. A person should be thrilled that a person they believe in is in office and race really shouldn't be a factor either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1693349' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:15 PM']again i agree with everyting you say. i just think when catholics go off on how its a one ticket to hell to vote for obama its wrong. if there talking to catholics fine, but when you are talking to other people i think it crosses the line. black christains who support obama are not going to take it well when you tell them that voting for obama is voting for hitler, the antichrist, satan and so foth.[/quote] Well I can't speak for anyone else here, but my harshest criticism is for Catholics voting for Obama, specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) i would be thrilled in the sence that i see obama as a family man and a decent guy. i would be thrilled in the sence knowing that family members of mine who have died who were slaves, denied rights in this country and could not even vote because they were black, and now a black man was becoming presdient. as a white man or as a black man i would not see obama as evil and out to get me. even if as a black man i voted for mccain or did not vote at all i would be excited to see a black man in office. again, as a white man or a black man i dont see obama like many of you see him. im not saying any names but i dont question him in saying that he believes in Jesus Christ as his savior. I think this country would be better off with mccain in office but im not going to give up if obama wins and declare him as evil. Edited November 5, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1693351' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:19 PM']Well I can't speak for anyone else here, but my harshest criticism is for Catholics voting for Obama, specifically.[/quote] ya i agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1693353' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:23 PM']i would be thrilled in the sence that i see obama as a family man and a decent guy. i would be thrilled in the sence knowing that family members of mine who have died were slaves, denied rights in this country and could not even vote because they were black, and now a black man was becoming presdient. as a white man and as a black man i would not see obama as evil and out to get to me. even if as black man i voted for mccain or did not vote at all i would be excited to see a black man in office. again, as a white man or a black man i dont see obama like many of you see him. im not saying any names but i dont question him in saying that he believes in Jesus Christ as his savior. I think this country would be better off with mccain in office but im not going to give up if obama wins and declare him as evil.[/quote] Thank you for clarifying. I see where you are coming from. To be honest I don't hate Obama at all, no beef against him as a person. I just can't buy into his policies. But what saddens and angers me is just the way people are in general (I include myself in this category) just fail at the way we are... it's really bothered me a lot lately just how fallen we have all become. I become the most angry with Catholics because I feel they should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1693358' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:28 PM']Thank you for clarifying. I see where you are coming from. To be honest I don't hate Obama at all, no beef against him as a person. I just can't buy into his policies. But what saddens and angers me is just the way people are in general (I include myself in this category) just fail at the way we are... it's really bothered me a lot lately just how fallen we have all become. I become the most angry with Catholics because I feel they should know better. [/quote] it saddens me to and ya i see what you are saying. i got into a huge argument with my brother and havent spoken to him since over this. he is catholic and supports obama and i told him he cannot vote for obama and boom, everything blew up. its frustrating. but i think it would be ever more frustrating for arican americans christain or not to be told that the first black man up to become presidnt is all these names that he has been called here. i think it would be very hard for them to swallow coming from other christians, who are mainly white. Edited November 5, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I could probably relate to other Catholics having some warm fuzzy feeling that "one of us" was in office when Kennedy was elected. He was the kind of man that inspired a lot of people. But in his efforts to win southern voters that didn't trust Catholics, he also set some tones for future Catholic politicians that had grave consequences. I see this same kind of trend in Obama. An inspiring man, but behind the smoke and mirrors I fear there will be a lot of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 ya im scared no doubt about that. i just hope we all pull together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1693362' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:33 PM']it saddens me to and ya i see what you are saying. i got into a huge argument with my brother and havent spoken to him since over this. he is catholic and supports obama and i told him he cannot vote for obama and boom, everything blew up. its frustrating.[/quote] Maybe some day your brother will come around. There's always hope. I voted for Clinton once. It took me a while to really understand what it's all about. One of my Catholic friends and I have become so different in our worldviews that sometimes our conversations are basically just a lot of eggshell walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 [quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1693345' date='Nov 4 2008, 08:11 PM']lol this is such a ignorant statement if you are attempting to speak for all arican americans. wow.[/quote] I live in DC. My friends live in DC (some of whom are liberals and some of whom are black). We know what we see and experience and hear, from the grocery store to the sidewalk to the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 so all black people know nothing about politics ? ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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