Dear Mr. Obama

[jckinsman]

[quote name='Galloglasses' Alt' post='1690870' date='Nov 1 2008, 02:34 PM']Everybody seems to be in a testy mood in this thread for some reason.

I like it here.[/quote]

[jckinsman]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1690934' date='Nov 1 2008, 03:36 PM']I'd vote for whoever gave me ice cream. If it were chocolate.[/quote]
Coffee Ice cream with mocha chips and PRO-LIFE then I'd vote! ....by the term chocolate were you being a racist?

[jckinsman]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1690957' date='Nov 1 2008, 04:18 PM']"Knowing" something doesn't make it true. Providing reasonable evidence, however, does. If what you believe is "true," then you should have no problems providing logical evidence for it. God gave us reason, so why don't you use it?[/quote]
Sometimes "knowing" something does make it true,because we've studied it, so we "know" that if it did not come from a liberally tainted news,we know it and it is true. Now logically,evidence can be used against you to support your own illogical terms. God actually gave us free will to study and reason for ourselves in the things that we find relevant to our individual lives. A good mix of common sense and rational reasoning to what people read and study,applied to there own individual experiances is a pretty good indicator of what the outcome of any given topic may be. So if you want to use reason based on God then you'd better cordinate your brain cells in compliance with his will and not your own.

[jkaands]

What about veterans?

What about black troops?

[jckinsman]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1690961' date='Nov 1 2008, 04:22 PM']Note this:

"The Military Times, which publishes the Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times, polled 80,000 [b]subscribers[/b] from Sept 22 to Sept. 29. The [b]non-scientific survey[/b] gathered 4,300 respondents -- all of them registered and eligible to vote."

You can conclude two things from this - it was not an accurate sample in that only subscribers of a magazine were included, and it was voluntary even from there. And two, that it was non-scientific, it was not intended to synthesize actual conclusions from the results.[/quote]
Are these conclusions your opinions or some one elses?......are they factual ?and if they are I would like a source!?? And why you think that source is realiable?.... and two paragraphs on the reasoning behind it. I would also like to know how it fits in to the accordance of God's reasoning on Human nature coupled with an essay on "what the military really thinks of McCain" Complete with graphs and charts one on each branch. You have three minutes,,,,,my son wants to use the computer.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1691023' date='Nov 1 2008, 03:39 PM']Are these conclusions your opinions or some one elses?......are they factual ?and if they are I would like a source!?? And why you think that source is realiable?.... and two paragraphs on the reasoning behind it. I would also like to know how it fits in to the accordance of God's reasoning on Human nature coupled with an essay on "what the military really thinks of McCain" Complete with graphs and charts one on each branch. You have three minutes,,,,,my son wants to use the computer. [/quote]
If you want to mock me, fine. But it's no wonder why people write Christians off as illogical wind bags.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='jkaands' post='1691016' date='Nov 1 2008, 05:30 PM']What about veterans?

What about black troops?[/quote]
I already covered that in my above artcles,yet one might want to take this into consideration,that there will always be people in the military that will vote democratic,yet it is true that the republican party, by its very nature, supports our troops better and funds them better. The democratic ticket always looks to fund their programs by pulling $ from the military. So what is the common sense here?? Hummmmm????

[jckinsman]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1691027' date='Nov 1 2008, 05:48 PM']If you want to mock me, fine. But it's no wonder why people write Christians off as illogical wind bags.[/quote]
If you see us as illogical because we do not agree with you and use your own tactic's to create a scenerio of affirmation. Well then consider yourself affirmed. Who is the bag of wind here? The one who throws the word "Christian" around like its a cuss word or the one who does battle by using common sense tactics. You have not even come close to my mocking. That is my sense of humor

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1691031' date='Nov 1 2008, 04:00 PM']If you see us as illogical because we do not agree with you and use your own tactic's to create a scenerio of affirmation. Well then consider yourself affirmed. Who is the bag of wind here? The one who throws the word "Christian" around like its a cuss word or the one who does battle by using common sense tactics. You have not even come close to my mocking. That is my sense of humor [/quote]
No, you're illogical because to you, the phrase "critical thinking" is something dirty and repulsive.

I'm questioning the validity of the survey. If you want to go around claiming you just "know" that something is true but provide no credible evidence, then the only person who is obligated to believe you is yourself. If you want anyone else to take you seriously, then please, show us why we should.

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1690957' date='Nov 1 2008, 04:18 PM']"Knowing" something doesn't make it true. Providing reasonable evidence, however, does. If what you believe is "true," then you should have no problems providing logical evidence for it. God gave us reason, so why don't you use it?[/quote]

I am. I'm not voting for O'bama.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Saint Therese' post='1691148' date='Nov 1 2008, 06:30 PM']I am. I'm not voting for O'bama.[/quote]
Good, fantastic. However, if you want to convince anyone else, just telling them that you "know" the truth means squat.

[Justin86]

You know, I never got why you're so up in arms about the survey being "volunatary". When has any poll been mandatory?

If you had stuck with the poll is unscientific argument I might get your side more, but voluntary? You're full it.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1691424' date='Nov 2 2008, 12:48 AM']You know, I never got why you're so up in arms about the survey being "volunatary". When has any poll been mandatory?

If you had stuck with the poll is unscientific argument I might get your side more, but voluntary? You're full it.[/quote]
Have you ever had formal training or education in statistics? Then you'd know what I'm talking about when I questioned it because of it's voluntary nature.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1691032' date='Nov 1 2008, 06:03 PM']No, you're illogical because to you, the phrase "critical thinking" is something dirty and repulsive.

I'm questioning the validity of the survey. If you want to go around claiming you just "know" that something is true but provide no credible evidence, then the only person who is obligated to believe you is yourself. If you want anyone else to take you seriously, then please, show us why we should.[/quote]
Okay lets back up. Critical thinking is [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking[/url]

I think that you'd better bone up on that one! No where in any phrases that I have ever said "dirty and repulsive"(except right here,and my husbands socks) as a matter of fact ,I do not even think that of you!

I am not claiming things that I have not already read or seen or heard. Just as you do with all of the info you come across. "Credible" falls to ones own opinions if we are talking news worthy issues in this political arena. I lean far right,I listen to far right, I get my info there. I don't like my history books re-written. I watch liberal shows rarely and only to keep my brain wrapped around the "hollywood"side. We all need to be educated in what the other is doing. I just disagree with that political and social agenda. I assume,you,do the same. Meaning I could sit here and write a ten page report on the topic with a bibliography and charts but do I really care enough to waste my time to do so,... when you really do not care,you just like the argument!

I do not NEED you to take me seriously,if you knew me,you'd laugh at how sensitive you are being right now.

Edited November 2, 2008 by jckinsman

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1691429' date='Nov 2 2008, 01:05 AM']Okay lets back up. Critical thinking is [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking[/url]

I think that you'd better bone up on that one! No where in any phrases that I have ever said "dirty and repulsive"(except right here,and my husbands socks) as a matter of fact ,I do not even think that of you!

I am not claiming things that I have not already read or seen or heard. Just as you do with all of the info you come across. "Credible" falls to ones own opinions if we are talking news worthy issues in this political arena. I lean far right,I listen to far right, I get my info there. I don't like my history books re-written. I watch liberal shows rarely and only to keep my brain wrapped around the "hollywood"side. We all need to be educated in what the other is doing. I just disagree with that political and social agenda. I assume,you,do the same. Meaning I could sit here and write a ten page report on the topic with a bibliography and charts but do I really care enough to waste my time to do so when you really do not care,you just like the argument!

I do not NEED you to take me seriously,if you knew me,you'd laugh at how sensitive you are being right now.[/quote]
No, the point is, if you can't back up your claims, then you should shut your mouth and stop pretending you have a valid argument. We call that an opinion and I have every right to disagree with it.