LouisvilleFan Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 [quote name='Hassan' post='1699778' date='Nov 11 2008, 09:34 PM']I don't know. I'm not trying to be difficult but while in "real life" I'm liked by many people (suprise!) and have plenty of diverse friends I've never really been "close" to anyone, neither friends nor family. I guess my parents love for me? but that's more abstract, I do love them and care for them but it's never been a real "loveing" relationship in the sense of that trust. I've never really trusted anyone in the true sense of the word. I guess for me love is more like empathy. Perhapse that has something to do with it. I would suspect it does. I think trust probably has a lot to do with it, because I mean it. I can't think of a single human being I've ever "put my trust into", confided in etc. I mean its odd, because friends trust me, and I don't *try* to not trust them, but I just don't. I don't even really trust my family in the sense of being able to confide in them etc. No one. So given that it would not be difficult to see why "trusting God", which seems like a really important part of love, would be quite difficult.[/quote] This, I think, begins to dig below the surface of simple religious or philosophical affiliation to the more fundamental human need to love and trust at least one person outside of ourselves. Fact is, everybody struggles with this; some more than others, but this is part of what St. Paul was getting at when he wrote, "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." We all have issues when it comes to trusting and loving God and friends, family, co-workers, etc. You mentioned parents... they are usually the best example, and for some people they are the worst example. I can only speak for myself... my immediate family won't exchange teary-eyed, warm bear hugs when I come home for Thanksgiving, and in ways I wish we shared closer relationships. Still, we are there for each other and we do enjoy our time together, so to me love at it's most basic level is being present with each other. Here's the thing to keep in mind when thinking about how our parents love us: how we relate (or fail to relate) with our parents greatly affects how we relate (or fail to relate) with God. It's only natural that if you haven't trusted anyone you see, you'll struggle to trust Him you can't see, and probably struggle to trust any philosophy or religious belief (although I suppose you could eventually settle for plain ol' agnosticism). Just a few thoughts anyway... I'm definitely not a psychologist, so I'm not claiming to have things figured out... just a believer also learning how to trust Christ through the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jon Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1700543' date='Nov 13 2008, 07:00 AM']Here's the thing to keep in mind when thinking about how our parents love us: how we relate (or fail to relate) with our parents greatly affects how we relate (or fail to relate) with God. It's only natural that if you haven't trusted anyone you see, you'll struggle to trust Him you can't see, and probably struggle to trust any philosophy or religious belief (although I suppose you could eventually settle for plain ol' agnosticism). Just a few thoughts anyway... I'm definitely not a psychologist, so I'm not claiming to have things figured out... just a believer also learning how to trust Christ through the Church.[/quote] [color="#000080"] Yes, LF, I also found the opposite is true, too. I do not come from an affectionate family. Thus, sometimes I want to show people the real tangible, physical love of God. It hasn't been easy. But, as I open more to the physical heart feeling of "love" --where my heart is [i]burning,[/i] with the real [i]physical[/i] feeling of love ----it helps me not be shy and I hug and squeeze people as if I was their family -deeply and sincerely - like when you visit a relative you haven't seen in years, do you know what I mean. A real hug with some juice in it - like I mean it. As I open to God's love more -I'm deliberately transferring that to embracing others. Jesus, was down and dirty phyisically - walking in sandals on the dusty roads, sweating, sleeping on the ground -- it's wonderful to be more "real" with my brothers and sisters to show them there's nothing to be afraid of -love is love is love - laugh, hug share the joy. My two cents.. God Bless, Jon[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 So this discussion got interupted before after I was involuntairly sent on a 30 day vacation from phatmass I would allow sleeping dogs to lie but recently a few people have been asking me about why I am no longer a Catholic. I am bumping this for them. If you have any questions after this I will do my best to answer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1699778' date='Nov 11 2008, 10:34 PM']I don't know. I'm not trying to be difficult but while in "real life" I'm liked by many people (suprise!) and have plenty of diverse friends I've never really been "close" to anyone, neither friends nor family. I guess my parents love for me? but that's more abstract, I do love them and care for them but it's never been a real "loveing" relationship in the sense of that trust. I've never really trusted anyone in the true sense of the word. I guess for me love is more like empathy. Perhapse that has something to do with it. I would suspect it does. I think trust probably has a lot to do with it, because I mean it. I can't think of a single human being I've ever "put my trust into", confided in etc. I mean its odd, because friends trust me, and I don't *try* to not trust them, but I just don't. I don't even really trust my family in the sense of being able to confide in them etc. No one. So given that it would not be difficult to see why "trusting God", which seems like a really important part of love, would be quite difficult.[/quote] But you do trust you simply don't think about it that way - you get into planes that you are not flying, into cars you are not driving, talk to other people you have no control over. You trust us to some extent - when your annoyed at something you post it, trusting us not to beat you up with it, and either commiserate -argue - counsel and/or discuss it with you. You obviously have some unthought of trust of God - I haven't seen you here anxiously worried if the sun will come up tomorrow - so you have some trust that Creation is still ongoing . All that IS trust. Lots of people never connect with their parents and a lot of times its nobodys fault. Is there no one you can tell how you are thinking and feeling? Someone you have ever shared a confidence? Brother, sister, classmate? Trust always involves vulnerability, and involves getting hurt - but thats part of the deal of being human, because if you cannot trust you cannot love. You don't have to answer this, just think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 31, 2009 Author Share Posted May 31, 2009 Bump for Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 It sounds to me like a classic example of "scrupulousity killed the Catholic". Prayers for you. -Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 BAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Bizzump for Delivery Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 hey then respond to my last post to your there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Though this may shock you since I am such a blinding light of piety, I too struggled with doubt at times and sometimes still do, though this always turns out to be from scruples (Example: "What if I don't really believe this and I receive the Eucharist unworthily?" Though this is contradictory since if I'm receiving it unworthily it's obviously real). Though this has been said again and again, the answer is prayer. Pray and ask God, and He will reveal himself to you. It may not be the way you expect, but He will. It is always darkest right before the dawn, and I have a feeling that you will see the light quicker than you think you will. If I could recommend any book, it would be The Godless Delusion by Patrick Madrid. It gives very good points from a very good Catholic apologist, and I'm sure you will enjoy it. Plus, it's not that expensive. In the meantime, I will pray for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 [img]http://www.aesica.net/random/thread-necromancy.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1333764532' post='2413801'] [img]http://www.aesica.net/random/thread-necromancy.png[/img] [/quote] This is old? I just saw it at the top and figured it was new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1333765014' post='2413805'] This is old? I just saw it at the top and figured it was new. [/quote] Well, it was new. But that was several years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1333765058' post='2413806'] Well, it was new. But that was several years ago. [/quote] Your negativity disturbs me... Edited April 7, 2012 by FuturePriest387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1333765224' post='2413807'] Your negativity disturbs me... [/quote] That post wasn't negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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