Hassan Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) [quote name='CatherineM' post='1680027' date='Oct 17 2008, 06:45 PM']She and I have had many discussions/disagreements on how she presents her arguments, but as to the content, she either has links to back up her opinions, or is simply posting other people's information/opinions for our educational edification. All or nothing language, from either side, does not fulfill the goal of a good debate, which is to change people's minds to your viewpoint. Saying that her comments are "disgustingly bigoted" certainly doesn't make me want to listen to your arguments after that point anymore than some of her comments make me want to review some of her well researched links. A wise man once said, "Only the Sith speak in absolutes."[/quote] I am talking about her statements. I understand what you are saying and I have tried very hard recently to limit my assertions to her claims and not her (In that past I have made these about her as an individual and that was wrong) I said at the begining that I believe her when she says she does not hate Muslims and made the example of Arab Muslims and Jews, or my Scottish Presiberterian Great Aunt and Roman Catholics because I was trying to make a distinction between her and her comments. My paternal grandfather grew up as a sharecropper in the south during the great depression. He says horrid things, really awefull sometimes. Raceist jokes etc. We were takeing in the nets once and he caught a garr fish and tossed it back in saying that "some ni****s will eat em' but I woulden't" or saying that a black waitress is a "motesa" (derived from, "more tea sir" refering to some dialects of black Americans) He will say really disgusting things. But he really does not hate black people. He and my grandmother's are very good friends with a black woman and I know that in his heart he is a good man. I am trying to make the same distinction between MV and some things she says. As I have mentioned before I only know MV through text. So while I can make a distinction between my the things my grandfather says and the good man whom I know it is much more difficult for me to make the same distinction with MV (although I honestly am trying) I would not retract my statement that MV says horrid things about Muslims and has preached paranoia and misunderstanding and antagonism. She has, not quotes, things she herself has asserted and claimed. However you are absolutly right that I should not make blanket statements about everything she says (I have said stupid and horrid things in my life as well, I understand this and will try to keep it in mind) or her as an individual. Edited October 17, 2008 by Hassan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1680027' date='Oct 17 2008, 06:45 PM']She and I have had many discussions/disagreements on how she presents her arguments, but as to the content, she either has links to back up her opinions, or is simply posting other people's information/opinions for our educational edification. All or nothing language, from either side, does not fulfill the goal of a good debate, which is to change people's minds to your viewpoint. Saying that her comments are "disgustingly bigoted" certainly doesn't make me want to listen to your arguments after that point anymore than some of her comments make me want to review some of her well researched links. A wise man once said, "Only the Sith speak in absolutes."[/quote] I think Madame V would appreciate your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone _ Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1679858' date='Oct 17 2008, 12:09 PM']She listed the criteria way better than I did, lol.[/quote] I said that my criteria where her criteria. How could she list them better than me? Edited October 18, 2008 by T-Bone _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1680120' date='Oct 17 2008, 07:59 PM']I said that my criteria where her criteria. How could she list them better than me?[/quote] My bad. I thought you said: [quote]Name one group of your hated Muslims [b]that fits your precious criteria[/b] (which you constantly change, once anyone names large numbers of terrorist groups).[/quote] So which is it? You have the same criteria, or different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1680126' date='Oct 17 2008, 08:03 PM']My bad. I thought you said: So which is it? You have the same criteria, or different?[/quote] I think you may have missed his point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone _ Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='Hassan' post='1680127' date='Oct 17 2008, 06:04 PM']I think you may have missed his point[/quote] She did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1680143' date='Oct 17 2008, 08:26 PM']She did.[/quote] First of all - thank you for quoting Hassan while simultaneously alerting me of missing your point. I am wondering why Hassan directly quoted and replied to me, because I told him a couple of days ago that I will no longer be reading his posts. I wonder how many other times he has done this, and why he even bothers. I am sincerely curious as to what point you were trying to make? Because I have reread your previous posts and it is difficult to discern what sort of irrelevant joke you're trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1680143' date='Oct 17 2008, 08:26 PM']She did.[/quote] So one could say this was an instace of... [img]http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/bushphone.jpg[/img] At least it was not the more dangerous [img]http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/taxonomyfail.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='Hassan' post='1680163' date='Oct 17 2008, 09:43 PM']So one could say this was an instace of... [img]http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/bushphone.jpg[/img] At least it was not the more dangerous [img]http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/taxonomyfail.jpg[/img] [/quote] Would everyone kindly get back to the topic of the thread. Btw that "cat" was sitting on my front steps the other night, baring a rather intimidating set of teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone _ Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1680159' date='Oct 17 2008, 06:41 PM']First of all - thank you for quoting Hassan while simultaneously alerting me of missing your point. I am wondering why Hassan directly quoted and replied to me, because I told him a couple of days ago that I will no longer be reading his posts. I wonder how many other times he has done this, and why he even bothers.[/quote] Perhaps, so we can discuss what you post, even though you choose not to engage in the conversation. Just because you put someone on ignore, doesn't mean that they are not free to discuss what you have said. If you don't want people whom you have on ignore quoting you, leave and form your own forum. You can post whatever jihadist conspiracy bunk you want, and it won't be questioned. [quote]I am sincerely curious as to what point you were trying to make? Because I have reread your previous posts and it is difficult to discern what sort of irrelevant joke you're trying to make.[/quote] My posts are not irrelevant, and I wasn't joking. As far as not being able to discern my point, perhaps you should think about it for a few minutes. Since you seem a bit slow, here is my point: She picks and chooses her own criteria--instead of using an intellectually honest definition, one that is generally agreed upon universally. If one honestly applied that criteria to any terrorist group, you could eliminate it. Edited October 18, 2008 by T-Bone _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1680196' date='Oct 17 2008, 07:57 PM']Would everyone kindly get back to the topic of the thread. Btw that "cat" was sitting on my front steps the other night, baring a rather intimidating set of teeth [/quote] Prolly scared. Next time you should pet it, you calm it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1680230' date='Oct 17 2008, 08:14 PM']She picks and chooses her own criteria--instead of using an intellectually honest definition, one that is generally agreed upon universally.[/quote] I think you have hit the nail on the head here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I don't even know how to put someone on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone _ Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1680248' date='Oct 17 2008, 07:38 PM']I don't even know how to put someone on ignore.[/quote] Go to their profile. It's in the options folder underneath their photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1680230' date='Oct 17 2008, 09:14 PM']If you don't want people whom you have on ignore quoting you, leave and form your own forum. You can post whatever jihadist conspiracy bunk you want, and it won't be questioned.[/quote] Oh, if he so wishes he can quote me and comment, if it benefits the other users. But it's rather foolish to directly acknowledge me seeing as I won't be reading said acknowledgment. And I don't post "jihadist conspiracy bunk." With that being said, it appears that you think I do. Okay, let's run with this. Clearly this bothers you enough that you made a comment about it. Usually when something really bothers me, I tend to stay away from it. Maybe you should try this. [quote]Since you seem a bit slow, here is my point:[/quote] Incredibly uncalled for. I've been trying to be more civil with you, and this is what I get in return? [quote]She picks and chooses her own criteria--instead of using an intellectually honest definition, one that is generally agreed upon universally.[/quote] So this was your point, eh. I don't agree. And this is not true. Thus, it wouldn't ever occur to me to think it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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