Sojourner Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 [quote name='PedroX' date='Mar 9 2004, 03:05 PM'] Mulls is back!! Yay!!! Good to see you, stop lurking and start posting! (sorry, just got some good news and I'm a bit hyper!) peace... [/quote] What good news did you get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 (edited) There is no such thing as not being part of a denomination. You are either Catholic or in one of the 34,000 man made churches. [b] Acts 20:30 And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them. [/b] This verse pretty much sums it up. Edited March 9, 2004 by MC Just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 and it makes since, why wouldnt there be so many denominations? After the reformers came, truth was turned into something each individual person can make for him/herself, basically truth is whatever they want it to be. That's not how it goes Christ made a firm foundation (Matt 16:18-19) and promised that it would never be destroyed. If the denominations are right, that would be calling Christ a liar and a fool who built his house on sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 how have I turned the truth OF CHRIST into a lie? having read a good portion of the Vatican 2, I have to say that you people here don't seem to fully agree with what it has to say. and if you do, then so be it with you...but I read things in the Vatican 2 that do go against the word of God... ---- and Brother Adam, could you explain "learn blamelesssly"? I don't quite comprehend this term. peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Mar 9 2004, 03:50 PM'] but I read things in the Vatican 2 that do go against the word of God... [/quote] such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Lumberjack, how do you know you're being guided by the Holy Spirit? How do you know that everything you believe is true? Non-Catholics often come up with all these differing positions and yet claim the Holy Spirit guided them. But they can't all be right. The Holy Spirit is the author of truth and clarity, not of confusion. He does not, indeed CANNOT, lead people to differing ideas of what truth is because His truth is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Mar 9 2004, 04:14 PM'] such as? [/quote] I'll point some of what I read later...but for starters, the whole thing about "its okay if people from other religions believe what they believe, so long as you stress the good, and don't pay attention to the bad." I'm only paraphraising here...so you'll forgive me if it's not complete. but thats the gist of it. although I DID come up on this part that I liked...under the Decree of Ecumenism [quote]But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions made their appearance and quite large communities came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church-for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame. The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. The differences that exist in varying degrees between them and the Catholic Church-whether in doctrine and sometimes in discipline, or concerning the structure of the Church-do indeed create many obstacles, sometimes serious ones, to full ecclesiastical communion. The ecumenical movement is striving to overcome these obstacles. But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body,(21) and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.(22)[/quote] so does this mean I'm a Catholic too? I'm really asking this question guys and gals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Do you accept the authority of the Pope and the teaching office of the Magisterium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 "But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism..." justified by faith in baptism? as in my faith in my baptism has justified me? confused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 [quote name='PedroX' date='Mar 9 2004, 04:05 PM'] Mulls is back!! Yay!!! Good to see you, stop lurking and start posting! (sorry, just got some good news and I'm a bit hyper!) peace... [/quote] thanks man, i've been back for awhile. and i'm flattered that this is such good news to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Mar 9 2004, 02:02 PM'] John the Baptist had no church, yet he discipled people...he had no bible, yet he taught with authority, authority from God, and baptized for the remission of sins. [/quote] Yes, but he didn't have a Bible available to him. Nor was the Church, until Jesus gave Peter the keys. We should all strive to have God in our lives and pray for him to send the light of the Holy Spirit upon us. But the unity in His church is very important. Why would you want to break apart from that unity? God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Mar 9 2004, 03:50 PM'] having read a good portion of the Vatican 2, I have to say that you people here don't seem to fully agree with what it has to say. and if you do, then so be it with you...but I read things in the Vatican 2 that do go against the word of God... [/quote] What don't we agree with? What of Vatican II goes against the word of God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Hi, Brother Adam.. I just wanted to say that I don't think Ironmonk was trying to be unloving or haughty in his posts. I didn't get that impression, at least. I think he is just telling it like it is and not mincing words. Also, I love 1 Corinthians 13! Frozencell and I had that read when we had our marriage blessed in the Church. I think it's one of the most beautiful chapters in the Bible. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozencell Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 9 2004, 11:03 AM'] 34,000 is way overdone. WAY overdone. From what I have personally researched 1,200 is much more appropriate. You can't call it a new denomination every time someone expresses their personal opinion. [/quote] Actually, according to the dictionary definition, every single Protestant church (as in the building) should be a different denomination, if you want to be really technical about it. Trust me, I've looked this up before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 [quote name='mulls' date='Mar 9 2004, 07:02 PM'] "But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism..." justified by faith in baptism? as in my faith in my baptism has justified me? confused... [/quote] As in, through the grace of God you have been justified by your baptism. In baptism you have been given faith. Titus 3:3-7 for context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts