Pope Paul Vi's Predictions

[MC Just]

I was watching a program about Contraceptives on Ewtn and I learned that Pope Paul VI predicted that if Contraceptives became widely used that Immorality and disrespect for Women and abortion would sky rocket. The white house at the time said no, more Contraceptives the better. After that all that Pope Paul VI predicted came true. If the governments of the world would just listen to the Vatican for once. What are your thoughts on this people?? The only leader on earth I will trust is our beloved Pope.

[Lil Red]

You know, my first thought was "WOW". But the more I started to think about it, our popes have stood up for what was right and not popular and I think people are just starting to realize that our pope actually knows what's best. That he's just not pulling stuff from thin air just to make our life hard. He truly has our best interests at heart.

[MC Just]

Consequences of Artificial Methods

17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.

Finally, careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife.

[Lil Red]

MC Just, do you have the link for that program?

[littleflower+JMJ]

i do too, his prayful, a man of God, the leader of the Church, intelligent, caring, stands for peace, life and dignities of all people...His one amesome man, i love him soo dearly, and his face is filled with the love and faith that all catholics carry, he is our Pope, and in latin that means, "Papa", i urge everyone to read about him, my sis did a bio on him and learned so much about him, his soo cool...no words can truly explain how special he is and what he means to all us....

O Queen of Heaven, protect our pope John PaullII and all his intentions!

Viva El papa!!

[MC Just]

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/...ity/se0002.html

Not the exact link but this one is from the same lady I think.

[littleflower+JMJ]

You know, my first thought was "WOW".  But the more I started to think about it, our popes have stood up for what was right and not popular and I think people are just starting to realize that our pope actually knows what's best.  That he's just not pulling stuff from thin air just to make our life hard.  He truly has our best interests at heart.

his very very intelligent, he is a philospher, a counselor, everything because of his intelligence, He also knows abunch of languages! lol....

if you read any of his books, mostly under his real name karol Wojtyla, such as "Love and Responsiblity" you will learn and see how intelligent he is and how he really knows what his talking about...i recommend that book to everyone!!!

+JMJ

he always gives us hope and encouragement.....i love JPII soo much!

[MC Just]

Why does the Catholic Church keep insisting, in the face of the opposite position held by most of the rest of the modern world, that contraception is one of the worst inventions of our time? Thirty years ago the case in favor of contraception seemed eminently reasonable. But the widespread use of contraception has had so many devastating effects on marriage, the family, and society as a whole, that the Pope's predictions about it make him now look, it retrospect, like a modern day prophet.

Edited August 7, 2003 by Mc-Just†

[littleflower+JMJ]

i agree contraceptives have made us treat life differently, ignoring the gift and blessings from God, it pushes God out of the picture, thats why contraceptives are a sin....

[MC Just]

This site is from that Lady on Ewtn. This is exactly what she said.

I was a teenager in the 60's and this came to be the wisdom of the times. Surely, none of you would buy a car unless you took it for a test drive. It's just as idiotic, of course, to get married without having sex with your prospective spouse. And none of you would really buy a car without test driving several cars, right? That would also be idiotic. You want to find out what model you like. You want to see how it drives. It was the same thing in the 60's. This was wisdom at the time. For the earlier generations, it was unfortunate that they, more or less, had to restrain themselves before marriage and sort of plunged into marriage because they were desperate for sex. Now we could be free from that kind of desperation by having sex outside of marriage and thus we could make a calmer, cooler, more collected assessment of our future spouse by being able to have a sexual relationship before marriage. This was considered to be a great wisdom.

We also thought that contraceptives would make for an enormous decrease in the number of unwanted pregnancies. Surely contraception would help people not get pregnant when they didn't want to get pregnant. And, concomitant with a decrease in unwanted pregnancies, there would, truly, be a decrease in the number of abortions. Now, these were the expectations for the contraceptive pill in the 60's. I think none of these were stupid expectations. For all my sarcasm, it seems to me, on the surface, there is a great deal of logic to this and a great deal of plausibility to these expectations.

But the Catholic Church at the time said no, that won't be the case. Pope Paul VI issued Humanae Vitae in 1968. It looks like some of you might have been alive and aware at that time. You might remember that it fell like a bomb on the Church and the rest of society. It was a shock to everyone that the Catholic Church reiterated its constant teaching against contraception. Pope Paul VI, in Section 17 of Humanae Vitae, made several predictions about what would happen if contraceptives became widely available and widely used in society.

He said, first of all, that there would be a general lowering of morality in society. Now, for those of you who were here in the 60's and were awake and aware and are here in the 1990's, I don't know that I have to do a lot to convince you that there's been a general lowering of morality. I remember watching TV when I was a teenager in the 60's. We saw the Donna Reed Show, I Love Lucy, Father Knows Best, The Spin and Marty Show — all sorts of great family entertainment. And now, I can hardly watch the advertisements on TV without being offended, let alone afternoon soaps which are surely soft porn, let alone the talk shows that introduce perversions into my mind that I hadn't even imagined, let alone MTV which approaches being hard-core porn. I call this “the fog in the water effect”. Some of you might have heard that if you put a frog into boiling water, it will actually jump out. But if you put a frog in a pot of lukewarm water and gradually raise the temperature to boiling, it will quite happily boil to death and not notice. And I think that's what has happened to us. In the 1960's, my father and every other father on the street, I think, would have taken the TV and smashed it on the pavement if MTV would have come into our homes. But now we are quite happily boiling to death with the TV that we have. Not to mention, of course, crime in the streets, not to mention drive by shootings, not to mention gangs and all the things we are all frightened about. You might say, “How can you trace any of that to contraceptives?” And I'll do it for you in a minute. But first, I want to go through Pope Paul VI's predictions.

Secondly, Pope Paul VI predicted that there would be a general disregard for the physical and psychological well-being of females by males. Pornography is a great assault on a woman's psychological and physical well-being. There seems to be an enormous outbreak of sexual abuse of women. The statistics are just overwhelming for how many women have been sexually abused by someone in their household. Let us also consider the fact that 60% of poverty in the United States is accounted for by single women with children. Most of those living in poverty in the United States are single women with children. That seems to me to be clearly psychological and physical abuse of women. And how did it happen? How did we get all these single mothers with children? I'll talk about that in a minute.

The third prediction was that governments would use family planning programs for coercive purposes once contraception became widely available. It's outrageous what's going on in this world in this respect. Some of you have been watching the efforts of the UN, highly backed by the United States, to say that all economic aid to third world countries will now be tied to aggressive population programs. These countries must have aggressive distribution of contraceptives, sterilization, and ready access to abortion if we are going to feed and take care of the poor. I don't know if you've seen this in the news, but it's been in the Catholic press, that women delegates to the UN are outraged at this. They find this insulting and demeaning. They feel like they're being treated like breed cows. What they want is better prenatal care. What they want is better medical care. What they want is more access to education and food for their children that's not tied to contraceptive programs. And some of you may be familiar with the work of Steven Mosher — it's very well documented — that there are forced abortions in China. In many areas of China, if a woman has more than one pregnancy, more than one baby, the second pregnancy will be forcibly aborted. Women are actually dragged out of fields late in a pregnancy and forcibly aborted. Now we've all lived through several weeks of seeing the national outrage because an adolescent is being caned in Singapore, as a great violation of human rights. But do any of you hear or have you seen any sort of national outrage for what's gong on in China?

Pope Paul VI's fourth prediction was that we would begin to treat our bodies as though they were machines. We would no longer have respect for the human person as an integral unity of body and soul, but the body would now be a machine that we can treat however we like. Now there is no greater evidence than that of our use of reproductive technologies, or surrogate motherhood, for instance, and many of the in vitro procedures. Some of you may have heard the story around Christmas time of a fifty-nine year old woman in England who conceived a child through in vitro fertilization. Erma Bombeck said that this would never catch on. She said that fifty-nine year olds will leave a baby in a room and forget where they left it. Or show up at a high school graduation and not know what they were doing there or why they were there. But, the point is that any woman can buy a baby. Any woman can go to an in vitro clinic and simply buy herself some semen and get herself impregnated and get the kind of baby she wants. It gives a new meaning to the word “designer genes”. If you want a Nobel laureate, you go to Stanford. If you want a hot whiz kid from MIT, you go to a clinic outside of MIT. If you want an east coast, Ivy League whiz kid, you go outside of Harvard. Any woman — married, unmarried, homosexual, heterosexual — can buy herself a baby, any woman who has money. Tell me we are not treating our bodies like machines.

Well, who was right? The secular world or Pope Paul VI? What about the predictions of the secular world who thought contraception would be so great? What about the prediction that marriages would be better? I think, in some respects, marriages are better, but the divorce rate shows us that there are a lot of very bad marriages, or at least marriages that end because people think they are very bad. In fact, the divorce rate doubled between 1965 and 1975. The divorce rate had been sort-of sneaking up all century long until in the mid 1960's it was at 25%, and then in 1975 it had got up to 50%. In a short ten year period, the divorce rate doubled. There's a social scientist at the University of Stanford named Robert Michael who was intrigued by this and he wondered why it was that the divorce rate doubled in a ten year period. He actually discovered that as the contraceptive pill became more and more available, divorce became more and more popular. In about 1975-1976 when about every woman who wanted access to the pill had it, that's when the divorce rate leveled off.

Edited August 7, 2003 by Mc-Just†

[DjGuardian]

I was watching a program about Contraceptives on Ewtn and I learned that Pope Paul VI predicted that if Contraceptives became widely used that Immorality and disrespect for Women and abortion would sky rocket. The white house at the time said no, more Contraceptives the better. After that all that Pope Paul VI predicted came true.  If the governments of the world would just listen to the Vatican for once. What are your thoughts on this people?? The only leader on earth I will trust is our beloved Pope.

well isn't it obvious...the use of contraceptions means that it is "OK" to have sex with anyone and for any reason...the whole place of sex is change and the spiritual sense is lost. it's no longer "bad" or "taboo" it is now "the thing to do" and it's even safe....bull junk is what it is. the emotional despair that a person goes through, then the fat that sex is a drug, and everything else...man it's just common sense.

here is the next big issue...my boys and i said that if the Supreme Court changed the law that sodomy was illegal...then there would be a terrible backlash and society will be in even worse despair now opening up doors for same sex marrige debates to legalize it and then also the church crumbling to it becuase they are too weak and afraid sense they do not stay in the word and relationship with Christ as they should...now what do we see.

multitudes of states and the fed gov't having to deal now with the issue of same sex marrige as well as the Episcipal Church crumbling and allowing Homosexual ministers...and Catholics too...i'm sure it will eventual trickle down to most denominations if it's not cut out like the cancer it is. This all from a 100+ yr old backlash when we the church took our selves out of society and let it be taken over by atheists and darwanist and other non-beliving people as well as though that have had their faith plagued by these same foundations...we need a new refromation...we've lost the principles that this country was created under...and that was a biblical world view and theocratic rule...it's our fault as the church...we feel we have no place in society or politics or law...but we do...it's our place. Who created the law? who created the Judicial system? Who created Gov't? lets take a history lesson by reading the first few books of the bible and get a clue and then do something about it. We can make a change and nothing in this world can stop us because it is God who's got our back.

DJ Guardian

Let's keep it real

[MC Just]

Man I hear you on that.

We live in a culture in which condoms can be handed out in schools and Bibles can't. And I think that tells you everything you need to know about our society. So, it seems to me that clearly, more and better contraceptives aren't going to help. Teenagers have incredible access to them. But teenagers are just as good at using contraceptives as they are at making their beds and doing their homework and doing their chores, at about the same degree of reliability.

I used to help with a pregnancy help center in South Bend. We would talk with these young girls and we'd ask them, “Did you use a contraceptive”, and they would say, “No, no. I wanted to buy a Prince album this month and I had to use my money for that”, or, “I didn't like the side effects so I stopped”, or, “We broke up and I thought we weren't going to see each other again but he came around again.” And they get pregnant and they're surprised. And, of course, we have a million and a half abortions a year. And how did these happen? Fifty percent of women who go to abortion clinics tell us that they're there because of contraceptive failure. Fifty percent. Eighty percent tell us that they are contraceptively experienced, that they know about it and they've used it before, but, again, for one reason or another, they've stopped.

[MC Just]

This lady is cool.

[Lil Red]

I can't remember the study but it said that women (in third world countries) who have better access to education have less babies. Not better access to contraceptives, but education. Makes you think! ;)

[MC Just]

Catholics need to take over this country.