Good Dogs

[dairygirl4u2c]

is this debatable?
what about 'all dogs go to heaven'

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[T-Bone _]

Well, Sarah Palin's dogs can't go to heaven. She's an evil person who mispronounces "nuclear".

[Semalsia]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1674201' date='Oct 10 2008, 12:56 PM']what about 'all dogs go to heaven'[/quote]

I liked it. It was a good movie.

[Justin86]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1674326' date='Oct 11 2008, 02:29 AM']Well, Sarah Palin's dogs can't go to heaven. She's an evil person who mispronounces "nuclear".[/quote]

[Autumn Dusk]

In one priest's theory we are supposed to be completely happy in heaven, so God will take for us the pets that we had on Earth and let them live with us in heaven. Animals are a part of God's creation and those especially pleasing to Him (or to Him by way of us) should be a part of paradise.

[Majella]

Humans have an immortal soul; animals have a mortal soul, which is finished when they die. So they won't go to heaven, but it is a good reason to fight against animal abuse and animal-research , seeing it's the only life they have!

[Galloglasses' Alt]

But, but,

My puppies.... =[

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1676020' date='Oct 13 2008, 12:05 AM']In one priest's theory we are supposed to be completely happy in heaven, so God will take for us the pets that we had on Earth and let them live with us in heaven. Animals are a part of God's creation and those especially pleasing to Him (or to Him by way of us) should be a part of paradise.[/quote]

This is not necessarily true. We need nothing but God in Heaven to make us absolutely and completely happy. It may sound callous, but we do not need family or friends - all we will be doing in Heaven is worshiping Christ and basking in the perfect love and glory.


[quote name='Majella' post='1676087' date='Oct 13 2008, 04:22 AM']Humans have an immortal soul; animals have a mortal soul, which is finished when they die. So they won't go to heaven, but it is a good reason to fight against animal abuse and animal-research , seeing it's the only life they have![/quote]

Yes - humans and animals have souls, but different kinds of souls. An animal's soul dies when the body dies, it is a temporal soul.

We fight animal abuse because animals are precious parts of God's creation, and it is just plain cruel to torture an animal.


[quote name='Galloglasses' Alt' post='1676207' date='Oct 13 2008, 01:34 PM']But, but,

My puppies.... =[[/quote]

I know.

[Nihil Obstat]

Wow........
This is the same issue that lead me to phatmass!

[Majella]

Well, at least SOMETHING ledyou to Phatmass!!!
On a more sober note : perhaps all animals who die will end up in Limbo , Just as all the poor , unborn babies that are killed by abortion!!!

[shadowedseraph]

*points at the pictures* lol's

[Autumn Dusk]

While God is selfish and wants all of our attention and love as a deity, he isn't selfish in the sence that he wouldn't give us things that create greater joy in heaven. If humans could be happy without animals they're wouldn't of been any in the garden of Eaden. Heaven is about joy....thats why some philosophers say that we will be able to eat and drink in heaven....its a joyful thing to share a meal.

[Barbarus]

[quote name='Majella' post='1677121' date='Oct 14 2008, 03:12 AM']Well, at least SOMETHING ledyou to Phatmass!!!
On a more sober note : perhaps all animals who die will end up in Limbo , Just as all the poor , unborn babies that are killed by abortion!!![/quote]
Two things. One, there is no reason to think that dogs will continue to exist in any sense once their physical bodies are gone. As you yourself noted earlier, dogs have a mortal soul, meaning that it is wholly tied to their physical bodies. No body = no soul. So, there won't be dogs in limbo (if limbo actually exists).

Aborted human babies are still human, meaning they still are endowed with an immortal soul just as any other human is. There's no transition point in human development in which a mortal soul becomes immortal, so their souls would remain after physical death just as any other human soul remains. Just as with any other human soul, we also hope that these babies will be in heaven, not in some state of limbo. There has actually been a report in recent years on this very topic.

Whenever I think of this topic, though, I think of Romans 8, where St. Paul talks about how all of Creation longs to be set free from the bondage of sin. We of course believe that we will have resurrected bodies in heaven, which will be perfected and redeemed from the decay of sin. In the same way, St. Paul seems to imply that this same transformation will apply to all of Creation. Whether it will be a complete reworking of the current creation, or a wholly new creation is not clear to me. Nevertheless, it is not as though we will suddenly become beings that do not have physical bodies which will presumably still have some physical needs.

[Noel's angel]

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1681112' date='Oct 19 2008, 03:02 PM']While God is selfish and wants all of our attention and love as a deity, he isn't selfish in the sence that he wouldn't give us things that create greater joy in heaven. If humans could be happy without animals they're wouldn't of been any in the garden of Eaden. Heaven is about joy....thats why some philosophers say that we will be able to eat and drink in heaven....its a joyful thing to share a meal.[/quote]

The 'joy' given to us by pets is not real joy. True joy can only come from God. Dogs will show us affection if we show them affection. They may also, for no reason, turn and bite us. They cannot love, therefore they have nothing to give us except a nice feeling of companionship. Our relationship with animals is based on how we feel about them. Our relationship with God is based on the perfect Love He has for us. There's no need for anything else. God alone suffices.

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

When one is granted the ultiamate goal of the Beatific Vision thier is no deficiency in happiness, therefore whether or not our pets are in heaven will be irrelevant to us. One won't be granted more happiness if his dog is there or less if he is absent because the capacity for joy will be perpetually overflowing.