And Your Response As A Catholic Would Be?

[Brother Adam]

Since there are almost no catholics on the BB...


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[Rebirth flame]

[quote]The Church’s assertion of Papal infallibility had not yet been put forward in those times, but as a matter of fact those popes who sought money, power, and murderous revenge on rivals seem never to have bothered with theology Very Much and never to have decreed anything that [b][i]would disprove infallibility of the Church as defined IN 1870.[/i][/b]

The Church accepts that [b][i]there were evil men in the line of successors of Peter[/i][/b] because it believes that Christ founded a visible organization of men. Some of its leaders were sinner who brought on such surreal troubles that in surviving them the Church proved it divine mission and at least partly fulfilled Christ’s prophecy that it would last until the end of time.”[/quote]

i feel that if the Pope isn't elected fairly, he's missing one of the key points for becoming Pope, and that's honesty and trust in the Lord. that doesn't make for a very good religious leader, and he wasn't honestly elected anyway.

[quote]Election to the papacy was by the clergy of Rome, not the cardinals of the whole world as now, and [b][i]rioting mobs could control the local decision.[/i][/b] Historians have pretty well sorted out the true popes from the anti-popes but that does not mean that all the true popes were good popes. [b][i]Why the Holy Spirit allowed sinners to assume a holy office[/i][/b] we don’t know, any more than we know why God allowed Adam or Judas to sin.[/quote]

i don't think the Holy Spirit can be responsible for the mistakes of mankind, either.
God gave us free will, and, unfortunately, some people choose to abuse it.

Edited March 7, 2004 by Rebirth flame

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote]During the last two years of his pontificate, Sixtus V (1585-90) rewrote the entire Latin Bible, adding phrases and sentences at whim, leaving out entire verses, changing the titles of the Psalms, and inventing his own system of chapters and verses.[/quote]

im not a scholar but what saying came to mind was "the Church cannot decieve, nor be decieved."

anyways, i think they [i]really[/i] need to get [url="http://www.surprisedbytruth.com/information.htm#popefiction"]patrick madrid's book called "Pope Fiction"[/url] book.

in fact when patrick madrid wrote it, the protestant were really mad cuz they wanted that same title for [i]their[/i] book they were also writing at the time. patrick madrid's purpose was to clear up misconceptions and myths of every pope issue there has ever been for the Holy Mother Church...the protestant's purpose? to continue to spread the same misconceptions of it :shame:

[cmotherofpirl]

This Bible was never promugated.
The Holy Spirit intervened and Sixtus died before it could become official.


Martin Luther did the same thing.

[Justified Saint]

Brother Adam, you of all people should know better than to take anything Mr. Ryan says as serious when it comes to his version of "history".

I have exposed Mr. Ryan's laughable scholarship enough regarding his use of "sources", his frequent misquoting and quoting out of context, bizarre methodologies, and often blatant misrepresentations of history. Anyone further interested should visit the thread entitled: "Noble army of Heretics" on baptistboard.com where Mr. Ryan displays his inability to engage in any kind of objective conversation.

As has already been pointed out, the Holy Spirit intervened and Pope Sixtus V never issued his "Bible". I highly recommend "Pope Ficition" by Pat Madrid.

[Brother Adam]

Unfortuately I'm not eductated in this area and don't have the money for books.

[Justified Saint]

Also, there were some 17 different editions of German Bibles in circulation well before Mr. Luther "discovered" the Bible in some abandoned Church. In fact, Luther's first translation was based mainly on a German translation of the Vulgate.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 7 2004, 09:03 PM'] Unfortuately I'm not eductated in this area and don't have the money for books. [/quote]
I get most of my theology books off of used book websites. I rarely spend more than $5 for a book. I have countless books that would be over $20 new that I got for $3 or less.
Just an idea.

[Brother Adam]

like...?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 7 2004, 10:36 PM'] like...? [/quote]
amazon.com has a network of used book dealers. I often find rare, out of print stuff on [url="http://www.alibris.com"]http://www.alibris.com[/url]
Then there are sites such as
www.bookfinder.com
www.bibliofind.com
www.fetchbook.info
www.half.com

I admit you have to search around to find the good deals, but it works for me. As I've said before, I have a vast collection of books, many of which I made a killing on. I've obtained many a good book for like a dollar.
For newer books is usually harder to find the radical deals but I can usually get it at 50% off the normal price.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 7 2004, 03:16 PM'] Since there are almost no catholics on the BB...


[url="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/2504.html"]http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb...ic/28/2504.html[/url] [/quote]
I replied.

[quote]None of the "bad" Popes spoke Ex Cathedra. For something to qualify as Ex Cathedra, it cannot contradict anything all the way back to Christ.

We have to admit, that Jesus uses the bad for good. Jesus hand picked Judas for a purpose.

Jesus and the Apostles did warn that wolves would reach places of authority.

I know a little about the Catholic Church, I've been studying it from the "horses mouth" sort of say.

In Christ,
crossbarer [/quote]


Your Servant in Christ,
ironmonk

[Archangel]

Here is the "Pope Fiction" article by Patrick Madrid at the Envoy Magazine site:

[url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.2/mar_apr98_coverstory.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2....coverstory.html[/url]

[the_rev]

I good place to find cheap books is www.half.com

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Mar 7 2004, 11:38 PM'] I replied.




Your Servant in Christ,
ironmonk [/quote]
I wouldn't advertize your new screenname here. The BB sends scouts here to read what is going on.

[DojoGrant]

Look at this:

[i]The Church’s assertion of Papal infallibility had not yet been put forward in those times, but as a matter of fact those popes who sought money, power, and murderous revenge on rivals seem never to have bothered with theology Very Much and never to have decreed anything that [b]would disprove infallibility of the Church as defined IN 1870.[/b] [/i]

Surely I'm not the only one that sees Bob's idiotic and deceitful use of bolding, to catch someone's eye on one portion of the sentence to make it say something it absolutely does not say?

BobRyan is not to be trusted.