Paladin D Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 [url="http://www.beliefnet.com/story/136/story_13602_1.html"]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/136/story_13602_1.html[/url] If the early Church was 'democratic' in the papal election process, doesn't this give more fuel to those who want more say in Church matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 What was that bit by the funny hat guy about truth not being determined by majority vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 If we become a democracy, can we vote him off the island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 ugh. never did like that guy very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 [quote name='Paladin D' post='1659711' date='Sep 19 2008, 10:41 PM'][url="http://www.beliefnet.com/story/136/story_13602_1.html"]http://www.beliefnet.com/story/136/story_13602_1.html[/url] If the early Church was 'democratic' in the papal election process, doesn't this give more fuel to those who want more say in Church matters?[/quote] Changing to a more 'democratic' process would be a mess. Imagine, cardinals running campaigns! "Vote for cardinal #1, a Real Catholic in a Real Time.!" We could put out yard signs! Next we would have lobbyists in the Vatican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloglasses' Alt Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Thanks, but I'd rather not have pro choice lobbyists putting up campaign rallies in St.peter's Square thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizz_loves_jesus Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 You can't have a democracy when you're dealing with the Catholic Church. Truth is truth is truth is truth is truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 [quote name='Article']"Would you like the next Pope to be more open to change or do you think things are OK the way they are?" Strong majorities in all the countries, by the way, favored more change in that question. In all the countries, the majority of the laity also approved of a Pope who would ... permit the ordination of married men. There is not a ghost of a chance that the next Pope will fit that job description. The lay people remain hungry for reform. As an organization made up of human beings, the church must always be reformed. Ecclesia semper reformanda, as the Latin puts it. The temper in this city now is strongly against more reform. The laity have no choice but to like what they get and not get what they like.[/quote] This is telling. I wonder what other "reforms" the people would like to have? I have no problems with "reform" nor with "change", but they must be tempered by Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1659741' date='Sep 19 2008, 10:14 PM']If we become a democracy, can we vote him off the island?[/quote] Awesome retort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 God does not do democracy, just ask satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 (edited) This article is a typical load of dissenting liberal bs. The Church was never a democracy in the sense Fr. Greeley ( a known liberal dissenter) implies here; it was always bishops who voted, not laypeople. The "troublesome" Fr. Greeley's agenda becomes fairly obvious here: [quote]They are a collection of elderly males who speak only for themselves, a good number of them (but not all) are clueless. Judging by recent conclaves, many of them will stand around waiting for the Holy Spirit to whisper in their ears how to vote. The history of the papacy provides ample proof that the Holy Spirit can be and has been resisted frequently in the choice of the Pope. It is unfair for the Spirit to be blamed for some of the disasters.[/quote] In other words, the Pope and Cardinals are a bunch of "elderly males who speak only for themselves," most of them "clueless" about "ordinary Catholics" and the "Holy Spirit" (Who, of course only speaks through liberal dissenting nuns and such, not through "clueless elderly males.") You know, like, if those clueless old guys in Rome wouldn't resist the "Holy Spirit," speaking through "Democracy," the Church would have women priests, gay marriage, allow abortion and contraception, fornication, and all that other stuff we all know the the oh-so-hip-and-liberal "Holy Spirit" is down with, if only we'd listen to Him (as voiced by the "Call to Action" crowd). (And this begs the question, of course, of why we should listen to the elderly male Fr. Greeley, and who exactly does he "speak for"?) Nothing new here, just more of the same old same old from the aging and no-longer-as-hip-as-they-think-they-are dissenting clergy. Edited September 22, 2008 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Oy vey, didn't realize this guy was a priest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 (edited) [quote]None of the changes would touch on Catholic doctrine.[/quote] LOL I suppose the popular vote would simply become the new doctrine? And his 'send off', saying people have no choice but to like what they get but not get what they like - taht actually makes a lot of sense. You don't just give candy to a child because the child wants it, you offer an apple to a child because the child needs it. The cardianls, along with the Holy Spirit, give the people the Truth they NEED, not the 'truth' they want; and that's exactly how its supposed to be. [b]God bless Benedict XVI! And keep near you John-Paul the Great - who definately would disagree with this priest.[/b] Edited September 22, 2008 by Didacus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Greeley is an idiot. Don't waste time on him. Again, Greeley is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1659741' date='Sep 19 2008, 11:14 PM']If we become a democracy, can we vote him off the island?[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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