Who Will You Be Voting For?

[WCC_Catholic]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 3 2004, 10:15 PM'] where's a good place to find pro-life info? [/quote]
rockforlife.org

[megrc]

President Bush Rox!!!!

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='megrc' date='Apr 3 2004, 11:36 PM'] President Bush Rox!!!! [/quote]
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[Colleen]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 3 2004, 10:15 PM'] where's a good place to find pro-life info? [/quote]
[url="http://www.priestsforlife.org/"]Priests for Life[/url]

[Lounge Daddy]

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Edited April 4, 2004 by Lounge Daddy

[Iacobus]

[quote name='VeiledAMerici' date='Apr 3 2004, 09:44 PM'] See the Debate Table for a discussion on the death penalty. But basically, the CCC (the most liberal of catechisms) even states that:

[i]Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not excludde recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.[/i]

Therefore, the Church is clearly in favor of the death penalty as a means of justice and public safety when non-lethal means of punishment do not suffice (i.e. the punishment does not fit the crime and so forth). I don't see President Bush, as is relevant in this discussion, wanting to kill those that step on his toes, however, I would hope that he would want justice to be served to the "unjust aggressors." [/quote]
[b]if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor[/b]

Is there anyother way is our time to effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor? The pope said that the DP is only admissiable when there isn't any other non leathel means to protect society. Never said a word about "the punishment does not fit the crime." Supporting the DP is breaking from Church teaching and rejecting her authority.

[DemonSlayer]

I'm not even American, but I voted for Bush anyway.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Apr 4 2004, 09:24 PM'] Supporting the DP is breaking from Church teaching and rejecting her authority. [/quote]
The death penalty is not intrinsically evil. Its application is acceptable under Church teaching, within certain limits. The Church establishes those limits in a very general way. The judgment of when to carry them out goes to the competent authority, the sovereign. That judgment is not absolute, nor can it be made independent of the Church. BUT, the state does have a limited authority to make the judgment. It is a matter of natural law. This is what the Church has always taught. Supporting the death penalty is NOT breaking from Church teaching. Can you please address what Trent taught? Can you address what has been reiterated by saints and doctors of the church? It seems that you are not able to make certain distinctions that are absolutely necessary for the proper understanding of moral theology. This is unfortunate, as you are quite intelligent. If you think the death penalty is not necessary today, so be it. I personally disagree but that is ok. But to try to suggest that somehow the death penalty is absolutely immoral (despite the fact that the Church has taught for almost 2000 years that it is perfectly moral) is simply an untenable position.

The decision is a prudential decision precisely because there is no single judgment one can make about the death penalty. The situations differ tremendously in various parts of the world. Who is the competent authority in each case? Like application of a just war, the competent authority in this matter is the legitimate ruler. It has to be this way. There is simply no way that the Holy Father could study every particular situation and make some declaration on it. It doesn’t work that way. This is very different from contraception or abortion or any other issue of that nature because they are always and everywhere evil and any use of them or allowance of them is forbidden. This cannot be said of capital punishment.
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[popestpiusx]

Here is a good article:

[url="http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=2&art_id=20566&sec_id=39103"]http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.a...66&sec_id=39103[/url]

A candidates support for the death penalty does not preclude one from voting for them as abortion certainly does.

[Iacobus]

But can the USA control society without the DP? Or do we have 33% break out rates for people imprisioned for life? Can we be sure of the justice system to be fair? IL found 13 men on Death Row who had not commited a crime. The police and the DA withheld DNA and other evandince that would have cleared them. Supporting the state sactioned killing of men that have a negigable chance of being free from crime, how is that not like supporting killing other innconet life?