Iacobus Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Where in the CCC does it say voting for a person that isn't 100% pro-life is a sin, much less a mortal sin? I asked the Bio-medical ethics guy for my area (who is also my parish priest about that. He told me that it was not a sin, much less mortal, to support Kerry and that no politician is strictly pro-life. We must look at them fully, who does more for the sick, the old, the outcast, the poor, the oppresed, the dying, the young, everyone! And base our votes on that. And the greatest sin would be not to vote at all. To not care about the race or the issues. To become disintrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebirth flame Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 i was thinking this, but i didn't say anything earlier, but anyway, if using the logic that voting for someone who isn't all pro life is bad, then it would be a sin to vote for Bush as well, seeing as he supports the death penalty. we can't obviously vote for no one, b/c then there will be no morality behind the person being elected. which is exactly why, in my opinion, we need a political party based off the moral issues of this world, and not just political stance. (of course, this party would probably become used just for political stance after a while, too, but that's where reformationin our society is needed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I see what you mean Rebirth, a few weeks ago the radio had a debate between the Republicans running for Seante in IL. One of the questions was from a man who said he was pro-life, by which he meant that he was anti-abortion, anti-death pently, anti-war. He asked what their views on those topics were. ALL the the people who had that posed to them answered the part about abortion (which they already answered in the debate) but skiped the last two topics. Captial punishment is a pretty big issue here in IL. A few years ago the state found 13 (?) man on death row that did not commit the crime. Most of the cases were overturned on DNA. But a lot of them had issues with the DA or police withholding info that would help his case. So you can't really say that you are 100% okay with the Death Pelenty becasue these people have commited crimes and are not innconent like the unborn. Our courts are run by men and no man is prefect in his jugdement or ruling. There are inccoent men on death row all over the USA. So stating that the DP is okay becasue all the people killed on it are guilty is not 100% true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FX2 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Sorry bout this...i see u guys talking about abortion, but i wanna bring it back to 9/11 . What really irked me is how Iacobus blamed 9/11 on Bush, when Clinton had Osama Bin Laden in his "sights" and yet didnt follow through with capturing him. I dont see how you could blame it on a president who was in office for 9 months, while a president who was in office for 8 years did abaloutely nothing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 What I was saying was that WJC had a plan to go after Bin Laden however the plan was not fully deveopled until late in '00. Pres. try to avoid handing over active war so deley the plan and give it to the incoming pres to carry out. Ike did this with the Bay of Pigs and JFK. GWB could have acted on the plan but didn't. There were warnings given to Bush about a 9/11 style attack. I never intened to blame 9/11 on Bush. However, there were intel failures and a lack of go ahead ideas in the WH in '01. The reports may have been vague but still should have been followed up on by the CIA and NSA is nessecry with an pres. order. I am also upset about Bush using the 9/11 attacks for political gain. In doing that he is cheaping the loss of all the men and women in NYC and Washington and PA and the loss of our troops in Afganastan and the loss of over 500 young men and boys in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 FDR used pearl harbor in his reelection campaign. Lincoln used the Civil War. Kerry uses his vietnam experience. war is an important issue. Bush's response to 911 is a big part of his presidency. i said it b4 and i'll say it again: Gore, Carry, Clinton, You, Me, if we had been in office we would not have had a chance to prevent 911. Clinton weakened our military... i guess that was part of his big plan to give the next prez the way to catch B.L.??!! perpostuous Clinton did not intend anything you're trying to claim... this is all inference from ppl who had nothing to do with it. Clinton could've had bin laden, he didnt take the risk. on numerous occasions. this was his passive policy, and it was no different when he had the plan in 2000. bush deserves to be able to use this stuff for political gain, it was his policy and this is the policy ppl would be voting for, a policy of making the world a safer place. it in no way cheapens it... you're brainwashed by the media. all those ppl CNN and the like had on were coached, they all said the exact same thing Bush is the best chance for this country, at home and abroad. so, do we let the iraquis call them french fries or make em call em freedom fries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Al, Clinton, I will concede, weakened the armed forces. Do you know why? What was differnet in 1982 and 1992? .................. Well the USSR no longer existed. We didn't have to worry about 14263464356 tanks driving through Europe. The Red Army wasn't about to fire a slavo of nukes at Washington. The Cold War was over. Did we need another 1,000,000,000 tanks. Let us have a chart of the Armed Forces Budget for Regan, Clinton, and Bush. ******************Cold War Ends-------------------------------------------- ....... Regan - 1986 Clinton 1996 Clinton 2001 Bush 2002 Tanks 840...........................0.................0.......................0. Aircraft 399..........................34..................52....................58 Ships 40............................6..................6......................5 Sorry the Chart does look very good. But as you can see Regan wanted a ton more tanks and planes and boats. As you can see the numbers of the tanks between Bush and Clinton is not very big. Neither of them increased the size of the aromered calvary. Now we could say that Bush likes the AF better than Clinton did, he gace them SIX more planes than Clintion. But it looks like Bush doesn't care about our navy, cutting the number of ships given. What you are saying is compeable to saying Regan cut the size becasue he requested 3 horses in 1984 where Lincoln had asked for 188,718 new horses. Methods of war are changed between 1864 and 1984 and did the world climate between 1986 and 1996. [quote]A commander in chief leads the militray built by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of the previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow.... And when that war [The 1st Gulf War] ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you to President Ronald Regan. ----- Johnsonville brat Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000.[/quote] If WJC weakened the army how come we "won" in Iraq and Afganastan. Neither of those wars were long and drawn out, the aftermath is but the wars were short. Thus did Clintion really weaken the Army? Lincoln used the Civil War. Yes he did. Do you know what his solgan was? "Don't change horses in the middle of the river." Did you know he almost lost? The Union won a few big battles before Nov of '64 and those wins had him relected. Bush respone to 9/11 can be a key to his re-election bid. But does his have to show images of the WTC burning? Falling? Oh and I don't watch CNN, too Fox like, why too much hype and dumb stories. But that is just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 sorry i can't vote for someone who calls themselves catholic but is far from it : kerry has plans to spread PP everywhere, is willing to push abortion farther and really doesn't care about the ppl if his willing to do that to mothers and children. i dont want the blood on my hands of supporting him and helping abortion to stay alive :shame: i'm voting for Bush!! woot woot!! :cheer: :cheer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Looking at the poll above, I can see that I am out numbered here. No matter what I post will change that and likewise no matter what you post will change me. We are all very firmly set in our view points and no one wants to change. I am not giving up my ideas but I am saying that slaming our heads into the wall is dumb and maybe we should all just give up pray that the best man will win, Kerry will changes his views on abortion, and that we may all enjoy peace in our day. God and the voters this Nov will decide this for us and our bickering here won't help anything. And this argument is getting dirty. Truce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebirth flame Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Amen, my brother!!!! Give thanks to the Lord, our God and King His Love endures Forever He is Good, He is above all things His Love endures Forever Sing Praise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Mar 6 2004, 09:37 PM'] Looking at the poll above, I can see that I am out numbered here. No matter what I post will change that and likewise no matter what you post will change me. We are all very firmly set in our view points and no one wants to change. I am not giving up my ideas but I am saying that slaming our heads into the wall is dumb and maybe we should all just give up pray that the best man will win, Kerry will changes his views on abortion, and that we may all enjoy peace in our day. God and the voters this Nov will decide this for us and our bickering here won't help anything. And this argument is getting dirty. Truce? [/quote] hehe, that's why i started my entrance into this convo with "I HATE POLITICS" and kept trying to lighten the mood with jokes about stuff we all agree on... hehe, i still am undecided as to whether iraq should allow same sex marriage deal truce, whatever. the fact is, if Kerry professes to be Catholic and spreads planned parenthood all over the place increasing US funding for abortion, the Pope needs to make a public excommunication. anyway, the REAL campaign we need to start backing (well, at least start convincing the guy he should run lol) is [color=red]JEB BUSH 2008!!!![/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Mar 6 2004, 11:25 PM'] [color=red]JEB BUSH 2008!!!![/color] [/quote] that would be SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 i second that motion Jeb 2008 - Catholic in name and action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho923 Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 It is always so sad that we muxt vote for the less worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 [quote name='Jericho923' date='Mar 7 2004, 01:22 AM'] It is always so sad that we muxt vote for the less worse [/quote] True true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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