Resurrexi Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) [quote name='she_who_is_not' post='1645410' date='Sep 2 2008, 11:24 AM']Indulge my law student brain and consider a little hypo I cooked up this morning. You are confirmed by a bishop who is Anglican or SSPX or something similar and after said confirmation that Bishop joins into full communion with the church, his holy orders are validated or whatnot (not completely sure how that works) and you jump on the pleasure cruise across the Tiber with him. Are you confirmed?[/quote] Anglicans don't have valid Orders. If you had been "confirmed" by an Anglican "bishop" you would have to be confirmed by a Catholic bishop. SSPX do have valid Holy Orders. If you had been confirmed by one of them you wouldn't need to be reconfirmed. Same with the Greek Orthodox. Edited September 2, 2008 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Some Anglicans have valid orders, but that's such a strange situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 Only if they were ordained in a valid rite by a validly ordained bishop... which would be very strange indeed seeing as as the Anglican "ordination" ceremony is invalid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1645750' date='Sep 2 2008, 08:05 PM']Only if they were ordained in a valid rite by a validly ordained bishop... which would be very strange indeed seeing as as the Anglican "ordination" ceremony is invalid...[/quote] Last I heard, this was a relatively recent change on their part? So there may still be a few "renegade bishops" from their old, valid rite (assuming a valid apostolic succession)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1645758' date='Sep 2 2008, 06:18 PM']Last I heard, this was a relatively recent change on their part? So there may still be a few "renegade bishops" from their old, valid rite (assuming a valid apostolic succession)?[/quote] The Anglican rite of ordination hasn't been valid for more than 400 years. To be valid the Ordination Preface (or at least the essential words therefrom) from a Catholic Rite (either Latin or Eastern) would have to be used. Edited September 3, 2008 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 The Orthodox ordained some of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 I guess that would work. But did they just ordain them deacons and priests, or did they ordain them bishops as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1645773' date='Sep 2 2008, 08:33 PM']The Anglican rite of ordination hasn't been valid for more than 400 years. To be valid the Ordination Preface (or at least the essential words therefrom) from a Catholic Rite (either Latin or Eastern) would have to be used.[/quote] So apparently not [b]that[/b] recent ... [quote name='qfnol31' post='1645800' date='Sep 2 2008, 08:54 PM']The Orthodox ordained some of them...[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
she_who_is_not Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Hi y'all, Sorry I even posted the topic. I was just curious because there is all this talk bishops taking their entire flock into the Church with them. I didn't mean to offend anyone or make light of a serious issue. I should know better than to ask these kinds of questions, by now. So, Mea Culpa and please forgive my ignorance. I am very tired. Peace, Amanda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 [quote name='she_who_is_not' post='1645841' date='Sep 2 2008, 09:55 PM']Hi y'all, Sorry I even posted the topic. I was just curious because there is all this talk bishops taking their entire flock into the Church with them. I didn't mean to offend anyone or make light of a serious issue. I should know better than to ask these kinds of questions, by now. So, Mea Culpa and please forgive my ignorance. I am very tired. Peace, Amanda[/quote] I didn't find anything offensive in your question ... I thought it was a good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted September 3, 2008 Author Share Posted September 3, 2008 (edited) [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1645833' date='Sep 2 2008, 07:44 PM']So apparently not [b]that[/b] recent ... [/quote] Well, it would be very, very rare that there would be any validly ordained Anglican priest or bishop, and one would really have to do one's homework to figure out which ordinations were performed by valid ministers (i.e. validly ordained bishops) using a valid ceremony. Just so you know though, it would be extremely rare that one would find such a situation. [quote name='she_who_is_not' post='1645841' date='Sep 2 2008, 07:55 PM']Hi y'all, Sorry I even posted the topic. I was just curious because there is all this talk bishops taking their entire flock into the Church with them. I didn't mean to offend anyone or make light of a serious issue. I should know better than to ask these kinds of questions, by now. So, Mea Culpa and please forgive my ignorance. I am very tired. Peace, Amanda[/quote] You're talking about the TAC. When they convert, to be real bishops, all the TAC's "bishops" will have to be ordained deacons, then priests, then bishops. And all the "priests" would have to be ordained deacons then priests. And all the "deacons" would have to be ordained deacons. And all the members of the TAC would have to be confirmed. Edited September 3, 2008 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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