Tinkerlina Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Thanks for the explanations-they are helping. It's a tough passage to wrap your head around! Oh well, I'm not getting married anytime soon so I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come ot it [quote name='pan!c139' post='1641065' date='Aug 29 2008, 12:28 AM']I don't think, in this context, subordination means being in charge of someone per se. (Not more important than the other person either.) I don't think it means, "you have to do what I say or else". I just think the subordination means that the wife must respect their husband's decisions as head of the family - that doesn't necessarily mean she has no input, they should make decisions together. This is a very difficult issue to understand and one of the most discussed passages of the Bible![/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan!c139 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1641071' date='Aug 28 2008, 09:32 PM']Thanks for the explanations-they are helping. It's a tough passage to wrap your head around! Oh well, I'm not getting married anytime soon so I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come ot it [/quote] You're welcome! It is really hard...one of those Mysteries of Faith, I think! (I'm not getting married for a long while either, but it's nice to know this stuff before hand. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I try to interact with woman keeping in mind how St. Joseph would have treated the Blessed Virgin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1641055' date='Aug 29 2008, 12:22 AM']That is a very good explanation and I do definitely understand the differences. I just still don't totally get why the subordination? Protecting is one thing but being "in charge" of another person is another? -Katie[/quote] The Scripture doesn't say that husbands are "in charge" of their wives Submitting ourselves to another's authority must happen freely and joyfully, as a son submits to his loving father, not as a slave submits to a tough master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Tinkerlina' post='1641071' date='Aug 29 2008, 12:32 AM']Thanks for the explanations-they are helping. It's a tough passage to wrap your head around! Oh well, I'm not getting married anytime soon so I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come ot it [/quote] The implications of that passage go well beyond marriage. It's really about holy submission, which all of us should be practicing in relationship to Christ. Marriage is simply the primary way that holy and mutual submission is manifested in the Church. Just saying this because it is a challenging passage, but the challenging passages are always the most rewarding if we're willing to wrestle with them. Edited August 29, 2008 by LouisvilleFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princessgianna Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 [quote name='Innocent' post='1641172' date='Aug 29 2008, 01:33 AM']I try to interact with woman keeping in mind how St. Joseph would have treated the Blessed Virgin.[/quote] that is a cool idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan!c139 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 [quote name='princessgianna' post='1641374' date='Aug 29 2008, 09:09 AM']that is a cool idea![/quote] I second that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Thanks. I'm glad you think it's a good idea. I got that idea on reading Steve Kellmeyer's book Sex and The Sacred City ( a very, very short but beautiful summary on the Theology of the Body, the ebook and audiobook versions of which you can download from [url="http://bridegroompress.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10"]Bridegroom Press[/url] - click on that link and scroll down a little), and [url="http://www.secondspring.co.uk/articles/scaldecott26.htm"]this article on St. Joseph[/url] from the website of the Second Spring magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldbug16 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Haha, this is where I meant to post my post on the other women treating men thread...my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1640462' date='Aug 28 2008, 01:13 PM']I was raised back when opening a door for a woman was a given. I rebelled against that. I picked two different male-dominated careers to re-enforce how independent I am. I've come full circle now. I allow my husband to protect me. He's very protective just because I'm disabled, so it is hard to know what is because of my disability, and what is because of my gender. It doesn't take anything away from me to allow him to feel "manly."[/quote] Oh my goodness...I am the same way here. With doors paying...the whole shabang. I mean I let it happen because I think with me it will help with my humility. I am very independent. When I was with my boyfriend, I got use to the doors and dinner and all that stuff and I sometimes it was good to feel "protected" but now it is hard to let it all happen again. [quote name='Paladin D' post='1640667' date='Aug 28 2008, 03:25 PM']Besides the obvious, (respect, dignity, etc)... a man should be willing to protect their woman and comfort her in times of distress. Even if he doesn't have the right words to say, I suppose being there at her side, to listen and try to understand her problems, is the way to go.[/quote] One thing to mention too...realize that sometimes, for some women, there is no real words to express what is going on and distress is for no obvious reason to her or to you (you meaning men in general). But hold on tight and let her know you are there for her. I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Actually I am pretty easy as a girlfriend..... do everything I say, pretend to listen, tell me I am pretty and feed me chocolate and I am happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 [quote name='Balthazor' post='1645198' date='Sep 2 2008, 06:37 AM']Actually I am pretty easy as a girlfriend..... do everything I say, pretend to listen, tell me I am pretty and feed me chocolate and I am happy.[/quote] Yeah...pretty much for me too...I am not demanding or picky... My expensive date consists of walking around doing nothing and eating at Subway Easy going otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeYouThink Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) When a girl steps out of line guys should: Let the puppy/dog or pet eat all of her shoes. Not take messages for her. Don't tell her that meetings have changed times on her. Wash all her delicates on Permanent Press Wash. Deliberately forget her birthday, valentine's day, and any anniversary. Put sugar in the gas tank of her car. Edited September 2, 2008 by MakeYouThink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan!c139 Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 [quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1645368' date='Sep 2 2008, 10:44 AM']When a girl steps out of line guys should: Let the puppy/dog or pet eat all of her shoes. Not take messages for her. Don't tell her that meetings have changed times on her. Wash all her delicates on Permanent Press Wash. Deliberately forget her birthday, valentine's day, and any anniversary. Put sugar in the gas tank of her car.[/quote] You have a [i]VERY[/i] long way to go before you get the "code" my friend. Very long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 [quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1645368' date='Sep 2 2008, 12:44 PM']When a girl steps out of line guys should: Let the puppy/dog or pet eat all of her shoes. Not take messages for her. Don't tell her that meetings have changed times on her. Wash all her delicates on Permanent Press Wash. Deliberately forget her birthday, valentine's day, and any anniversary. Put sugar in the gas tank of her car.[/quote] Do you even know what you just said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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