John Kerry

[Iacobus]

The majority of the men and women who served in Vietname gave a great gift to the US. However, the war was NOT a good war. There were massacres and other issues in the war. But we can't cheapen what the enlisties did during the war. *John Kerry, April 23, 1971* that qoute is about what happened at the Mila Massacre. Basicly what happened is the unit opened fire on a town and killed every liveing thing in the village they could find.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Yes, but wasn't John Kerry one of the officers in charge of that little shin-dig? Do some checking....

[Iacobus]

I know that Kerry was the captain of one of the swift boats. I thought the shin-dig was an army issue, commited by the army. I am not 100% sure though, link me to some fair info and I am open to change. I myself will look for some on what was the extact extent of Kerry's involement.

[jmjtina]

Kerry is Pro-Murder, advocates abortion, so he doesn't get my vote.

I think a President who is willing to advocate killing in the womb is just pure evil. May God have Mercy on Us and on the whole world.

[Iacobus]

Kilroy,

[url="http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/02/02_400.html"]Mother Jones Comperes Armed Forces Records[/url]

[url="http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_4800.shtml"]Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations, April 23, 1971 (the whole thing)[/url]

[url="http://slate.msn.com/id/2087554/"]Slate's The Worst of John Kerry: A troubling tale from his past. Is it true?[/url]

Most of the other stuff I found was repeats of Kerry's record during Vietnam or quotes from his statement to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations. I found not find anything connecting him to the massacre as an active player. God Bless.

[jmjtina]

He's an active player in the ongoing massacre of innocent unborn children through abortion.

That's enough for me.

[Iacobus]

I am not saying Kerry is the best person to ever run for the office. I just like him more than I like Bush. The fact that we undergo almost 1 abortion for every 2 people alive in the US (puke, why is that number so high). We need to fix the problem.

Regan and Bush (W. H.) both had the law that Kerry states that he will remove in effect during thier terms. The number of abortions in the US per year peaked under the 1st Bush and DECLINED under Bill Clinton by 163,200 abortions per year during his 1st term. This is with the pro-abortion rules.

0.46 abortions per person in Mass. in 1996
0.44 abortions per person in TX in 1996

Not a great stat different between the state in which Bush was governer and the State in which Kerry was senator.

But don't take my facts as true, check them, I used [url="http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionStatistics.htm#United%20States"]www.abortiontv.com for the numbers on abortions per year[/url] and [url="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html"]InfoPlease for the number of people living in each state.[/url]

[frozencell]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Mar 6 2004, 12:11 AM'] Kilroy,

[url="http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/02/02_400.html"]Mother Jones Comperes Armed Forces Records[/url]

[url="http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/printer_4800.shtml"]Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations, April 23, 1971 (the whole thing)[/url]

[url="http://slate.msn.com/id/2087554/"]Slate's The Worst of John Kerry: A troubling tale from his past. Is it true?[/url]

Most of the other stuff I found was repeats of Kerry's record during Vietnam or quotes from his statement to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations. I found not find anything connecting him to the massacre as an active player. God Bless. [/quote]
To say that I am disappointed in you is an understatement. It took you one post to go from asking for fair and balanced records and reporting on John Kerry in Vietnam to unfair and unbalanced reporting of Kerry's and Bush's military careers.

First, Kerry joined the Navy. The Navy does what it does. Bush joined the Air Force. Being in the AF myself, I know that it's mission is a lot different from that of the Navy. It always has beena nd always will be. I work with someone who used to be in the Navy. he says himself that the Navy is tougher, more physical, more demanding deployment-wise. these are the respective branches that these men joined. The article portrays Kerry as a national treasure and Bush a pansy little girly-man. This is very biased and unappreciated.

Your article also claims to compare only military records of Bush and Kerry. If this is such unbiased information then pray tell why they felt the need to include these:

1.June 9, 1968:
Bush's student deferment expires.

2.November 1969:
Bush is flown to the White House by President Nixon for a date with daughter Tricia.

3.December 1969:
Bush transfers to Houston and moves into Chateaux Dijon complex. Laura lives there too, but they don't meet till later.

4.December 1972:
In D.C. for the holidays, Bush takes 16-year-old brother Marvin drinking and driving. Confronted by father, Bush suggests they settle it "mano a mano."

What do these things have to do with military service?????!!!!! Nothing!

Also, I find it interesting how they went into such grand detail of Kerry's "heroic" activities as to note where he was hit by shrapnel and what-not, only to breeze lightly over Bush's accomplishments (i.e. "Bush gets his wings").

Also, the article, The Worst of John Kerry, is actually in his defense. These are some of the most liberally-biased articles I have ever read. Saying that Kerry's only crime was "being too honest" is laughable and ridiculous.

This line from his statement about Vietnam also worries me slightly:

'We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings." ' Would he really refer to them in quotations if he was really concerned about them and respected them as humans? I think not. I don't refer to my wife as a "woman". She'd kill me if I did anyhow!!! Putting things in quotes in this context insinuates sarcasm.

If you would like fair and balanced articles for yourself please and try to provide them to others also.

[jmjtina]

um, Bill Clinton vetoed the Partial Abortion Bill when both houses passed it.

The 2nd Bush made it illegal.

[url="http://www.priestsforlife.org"]Priests for Life [/url]

[url="http://www.lifenews.com"]Life News[/url].

I encourage you to check these sites out.

i thought those "military" sites were kinda biased.....but I tried staying on topic

good job frozencell. :thumb:


So yeah, I'll be voting looking at what is happening NOW in the abortion issue, and since Kerry is okay with killing unborn children in the womb, advocating murder, then he will [b]not[/b] get my vote.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Ok, this is what I've had the time to find this morning

[url="http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/3796.html"]This HNN article[/url] which points to [url="http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/"]wintersoldier.com[/url]. And which also has [url="http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Testimony"]the entire 32 page transcript of Kerry's[/url] congressional brew-ha-ha.

The most interesting point of the first article:

[quote]One of the most shocking quotes comes from Kerry himself, admitting that he had committed war crimes in Vietnam, then shrugging that off as merely a matter of following orders. Following orders, however, does not absolve someone of guilt for committing war crimes. Which begs the question: will Kerry be willing to discuss the details of the war crimes he admits committing? [/quote]

is the one I'm trying to find in the congressional record. (Or elsewhere).

Bear with me though as I'm also battling a hungry 1 year old....

[Iacobus]

Please understand the post I made about the armed forces records was not to diminish that of Bush but to provide a time line for Kerry's record.

frozencell, I am disappointed in myself for posting basied sites. Alas, nothing today is without a vested intrest.

Kilroy the Ninja, the congressional record has to be online someplace. But I ask would it inculde Kerry's statement? I am not 100% sure becasue the statement was given to a community in the senate.

Putting away the armed forces record, that will most likly take us nowhere unless we can find a copy of the statement with comments or anaylsis (kilroy might have found it I havn't had the time to read it yet, I just got home but I will). What makes me mad is that there is no real difference between what actual happens under parties. The views are differing but the changes in numbers don't seem to be reallt large depending on who was in the White House.

Would it be wrong to bring back someone everyone loved as pres like TR from the died? LOL j/k. I am hoping Kerry changes his views but the numbers I found implied that a change would have a real big effect on the number of abortions. Pray for the end.

[MrsFrozen]

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