Innocent Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='28 September 2009 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1254076209' post='1973373'] Innocent, Nice topic. My opinion is that homeopathy is a delusional pseudoscience founded upon superstitious rubbish (e.g., serial dilution). I find it to be most unfortunate that so many Catholics that I know embrace it. Regards. [/quote] Hi. Sorry I missed your post till now, L_D. Thanks for your post. Do you consider that a Catholic layman who publicly expresses belief in the claims of Homeopathy to be on some level, "giving scandal" to Non-Catholics, given our current understanding of the vocation of the laity being the infusing of the spirit of Christ into the secular sphere? This is the situation I have in mind: It's well known that philosophical skeptics like James Randi have spoken out against Homeopathy. (Take a look at a simple Google Search of [url="http://www.google.com/search?q=james+randi+homeopathy&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=mozilla&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial"]'James Randi Homeopathy'[/url]) Now, the same people also speak out against religion. If some non-Catholic who has listened to the talks of persons like Randi or some other skeptics were to see some of his Catholic friends using Homeopathy, he might think (of course, it is a logical fallacy; one can be wrong about Homeopathy and right about God, but still, one in such a situation might be inclined to think so) that if Randi was right about Homeopathy, then perhaps he's right about religion being irrational too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 I found this book: [url="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830822755/ref=nosim?tag=christianministr&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=0830822755&creative=373489&camp=211189"]Examining Alternative Medicine: An Inside Look at the Benefits & Risks [Amazon Page][/url] available for free download here: Download [url="http://www.apologeticsindex.org/550-alternative-medicine"]Examining Alternative Medicine: An Inside Look at the Benefits & Risks in as a PDF file.[/url] It has a chapter (Chapter 11, p 203) on Homeopathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Some Homeopaths here in India recently claimed that Homeopathy can provide an effective treatment for the Swine Flu epidemic: [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health/Homeopathy-can-prevent-cure-swine-flu/articleshow/4870647.cms"]Times Of India: 'Homeopathy can prevent, cure swine flu'[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='27 September 2009 - 03:19 PM' timestamp='1254079178' post='1973393'] this is pretty much the best video about homeopathy, also pretty funny! http://www.videosift.com/video/Homeopathic-A-E-Mitchell-Webb [/quote] "Two more homeopathic lagers, please." drip-drip "Whoa. That's strong stuff." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 "he is loosing blood fast, make me a solution of arsenicum one part in a million" "he looks really hurt!" "ok make it stronger then, one part in TEN million!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 In [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=BXZlprZRTJoC&pg=PA308&lpg=PA308&dq=popes+supported+homeopathy&source=bl&ots=uuvcXGiGGz&sig=lrJIxypxkyS6cGf1CA_LaOXP_FQ&hl=en&ei=D6_VSu3qFJSaMOvpuJQD&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false"]this book[/url] it says that Pope Pius XII, Pope John Paul II and Pope Paul VI used the services of homeopaths. Does anyone know if our current pontiff uses the services of a homeopath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 This is from the blog of a Homeopathy advocate: [quote]What does the Jesuit order, Mother Teresa, Pope Paul Vl, Pope Paul X and Pope Gregory XVl have in common? Well, besides being examples of Catholics of great faith and notoriety, they were all champions of homeopathy. Mother Teresa and her order dispensed, prescribed it and sang homeopathy’s praises. Pope Gregory hired a homeopath, Dr. Johann Wilhelm Wahle, to work in the Vatican and sought to establish a homeopathic hospital. St Joseph’s Leper Hospital was a homeopathic hospital run by Father Augustus Muller, a Jesuit missionary in India. There are many other examples of devout and traditional Catholics who have hailed homeopathy as a valued medicine.[/quote]SOURCE: [url="http://homeopathyworks.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/joette-says-7/"]Homeopathy Works.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 We're still distinguishing homeopathy from naturopathy, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innocent Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='15 October 2009 - 08:54 AM' timestamp='1255573479' post='1985649'] We're still distinguishing homeopathy from naturopathy, right? [/quote] Certainly, certainly! I think around a third of this thread has been devoted to that. Thus I'd like to make it clear, before anyone wonders if I'm attacking the entire Natural Remedy system, that I linked to the book above "Examining Alternative Medicine" only for the material in its chapter on Homeopathy. [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='23 June 2009 - 12:29 PM' timestamp='1245736745' post='1899331'] Interesting I'll try to formulate an answer later. [/quote] By the way, in case you have by now formulated an answer, I'd love to hear it. Edited October 15, 2009 by Innocent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 To be honest, I haven't thought of the topic much. My answer to the whole thread is I think it's a psudo-science. I can't really accept that it works. I've taken the stuff before, and I don't think it really cleared my sickness. Like, how can we really know? The human body is a hard instrument to experiment on. There's a homoeopathic cure for the common cold. I start taking it. It takes me 5 days to get over it. Would it have not taken me 5 days to get over it without the intervention? Next time I get a cold, the severity will change, and so the experiment can't be repeated. But lets say the cold is the same severity, and I decide not to take the homoeopathy. It takes me 4 days to get over it. Did the remedy with 1 part per trillion of the cold bacteria make me sicker? No? Who knows. This is all speculative based on my experience with it, and the fact we live a linear timeline, and we can't just push rewind on the same cold and the same life experiences and try without the remedy. I use the cold, btw, cause it's not as threatening. If we talked of cancer, that would probably cause some controversy, plus I don't know how the body defends itself from that sickness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2785985155605802136# this guy explains perfectly how homeopathy "works" and why it is so ridiculous. one of their "strongest Solutions" which is a 1500x dilution, this is how diluted it is "taking one grain of rice, crushing it into a powder and dissolving it into a Sphere of water the size of the solar system (with the sun at the center and pluto)at the outside." "and then repeating that process 2 billion times" its criminal to sell this stuff as any kind of medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) woops, i doubled again. Edited October 19, 2009 by Jesus_lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 The chances of actually ingesting even a molecular particle of whatever was put into the solution are far less even than winning a lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 The whole "science" though is the impression or resonance of the particle on the sugar/water/alcohol/all of the above. Isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 totally junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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