Selah Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 [quote]To have more respect for the dignity of their persons[/quote] EXACTLY!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1633082' date='Aug 20 2008, 07:28 PM']Valid points. But that doesn't mean a woman should've "seen it coming" so to speak. They might dress like that because it's their culture. Also, where do we draw the line? Like I said in my other post, rapists may now target those women and use it as an excuse for their behavior. But what if it gets to the point where the rapist says "Oh, she was wearing a tank top and has her hair colored blonde, I couldn't resist!" The rapist can really play the system and use "immodesty" as his case![/quote] I don't think anyone is really trying to say that if a woman got raped she deserved it. But, what is being said, is that dressing like this certainly isn't drawing any positives and may be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeYouThink Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 (edited) [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1633071' date='Aug 20 2008, 06:14 PM']How ridiculous that these "women advocacy" groups are outraged! The priest is actually offering sound advice. When women show off their assets, they are basically turning men on. And sometimes, men can't get turned off, so it does cause rape. That's not saying that the men are right to rape them! And the priest is definitely not saying this![/quote] That is, of course, really foolish thing to say. Men who rape women are deviants. Men can be turned on by a girl and don't think they should rape her. No, he usually thinks, man, I would like to get me some of that. Then some men, who are brave enough, will hit on her, and maybe they will that night, though I don't condone that. But men, generally, don't think about raping a girl. Only evil men who want to hurt women want to do that. Rape is not sexual, it is more about violence and control then sexual arousal! Any priest who says women will get raped if she wears a mini-skirt doesn't know what they are talking about, and are just as evil as them men who rape women! Edited August 20, 2008 by MakeYouThink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 [quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1633112' date='Aug 20 2008, 05:56 PM']But men, generally, don't think about raping a girl. Only evil men who want to hurt women want to do that. Rape is not sexual, it is more about violence then sexual arousal![/quote]totally agreed. [quote name='MakeYouThink' post='1633112' date='Aug 20 2008, 05:56 PM']Any priest who says women will get raped if she wears a mini-skirt don't know what they are talking about, and are just as evil as them men who rape women![/quote] that's not what he said. he said that women should be prudent and modest about their bodies. nothing wrong with that. all people should be prudent and modest about their bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 +J.M.J.+ and i'd like to see the full context of his remarks, not just a blurb from a newspaper (which can take things out of context) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Why do I get the feeling that the Associated Press is misrepresenting the priest's words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1633097' date='Aug 20 2008, 07:43 PM']However, telling women that they should dress modestly to help protect themselves is not a bad idea.[/quote] I agree. [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1633098' date='Aug 20 2008, 07:43 PM']But I know today's fashions make even the most normal men fantasize and lust. They may never touch the object of their lust, (more likely they may touch themselves.) And I think in these situations, the woman is very much to blame.[/quote] So now we're blaming women for the sins of men? Any respectable man would turn away if he saw a woman dressed inappropriately. Yes, he would begin to think about it, but he would correct himself as well. However, if he stares at her in order to entertain fantasies in his head, that's his problem. Back in high school, when my friends and I walked everywhere, we'd get honked at inappropriately - and we wore jeans and sweats. Did that driver go home and commit a lustful sin after thinking bad thoughts about us, because my friends and I just so happened to be walking down the street? Am I to blame for this? I'm not saying that immodestly dressed women are completely innocent. But after a certain point, it's a bit ridiculous to say that men can't control themselves. [quote name='TeresaBenedicta' post='1633105' date='Aug 20 2008, 07:46 PM']I don't think anyone is really trying to say that if a woman got raped she deserved it. But, what is being said, is that dressing like this certainly isn't drawing any positives and may be a factor.[/quote] I'll quote what I quoted before from this article: [quote]A police superintendent in Jamaica called on women last week to dress with greater modestly to curb rapes on the island. After an 8-year-old girl was gang-raped by five men at a market in Montego Bay, Steve McGregor blamed rapes this summer partly on girls wearing short shorts and tiny bathing suits.[/quote] Essentially, the guy is saying that if the girls weren't dressed that way, they wouldn't get raped. Which is ridiculous, because rapists don't necessarily chose their victims due to their outfits - they rape for power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 [quote name='XIX' post='1633118' date='Aug 20 2008, 06:03 PM']Why do I get the feeling that the Associated Press is misrepresenting the priest's words? [/quote] +J.M.J.+ that would be a total shock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 [quote]Men who rape women are deviants. Men can be turned on by a girl and don't think they should rape her. No, he usually thinks, man, I would like to get me some of that. Then some men, who are brave enough, will hit on her, and maybe they will that night, though I don't condone that. But men, generally, don't think about raping a girl. Only evil men who want to hurt women want to do that. Rape is not sexual, it is more about violence and control then sexual arousal![/quote] I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you 100%. It's exactly what I'm trying to get at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 +J.M.J.+ [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1633120' date='Aug 20 2008, 06:06 PM']So now we're blaming women for the sins of men? Any respectable man would turn away if he saw a woman dressed inappropriately. Yes, he would begin to think about it, but he would correct himself as well. However, if he stares at her in order to entertain fantasies in his head, that's his problem. Back in high school, when my friends and I walked everywhere, we'd get honked at inappropriately - and we wore jeans and sweats. Did that driver go home and commit a lustful sin after thinking bad thoughts about us, because my friends and I just so happened to be walking down the street? Am I to blame for this?[/quote]where did any of us commend anyone for saying women deserve it? some of us are calling for this priest's full comments, not distorted media comments. [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1633120' date='Aug 20 2008, 06:06 PM']Essentially, the guy is saying that if the girls weren't dressed that way, they wouldn't get raped. Which is ridiculous, because rapists don't necessarily chose their victims due to their outfits - they rape for power.[/quote]i was talking about the priest, not this cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 While I don't necessarily agree that mini skirts are the cause of rape, I'd say that anything which causes scandal (miniskirts do so - I know from experience) would be a condemnable thing. So good for Fr., speaking on behalf of righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1633125' date='Aug 20 2008, 08:09 PM']+J.M.J.+ where did any of us commend anyone for saying women deserve it? [/quote] No where? I didn't use the word "deserve" in any of my replies. I just checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1633120' date='Aug 20 2008, 08:06 PM']I agree. So now we're blaming women for the sins of men? Any respectable man would turn away if he saw a woman dressed inappropriately. Yes, he would begin to think about it, but he would correct himself as well. However, if he stares at her in order to entertain fantasies in his head, that's his problem. Back in high school, when my friends and I walked everywhere, we'd get honked at inappropriately - and we wore jeans and sweats. Did that driver go home and commit a lustful sin after thinking bad thoughts about us, because my friends and I just so happened to be walking down the street? Am I to blame for this? I'm not saying that immodestly dressed women are completely innocent. But after a certain point, it's a bit ridiculous to say that men can't control themselves.[/quote] Sadly, a lot of men/boys are socialized not to be respectable, though. When men/boys are taught to think of women as objects. And while a man's entertaining fantasies is his problem, it could turn into a larger problem, should these fantasies be acted out. It's not that men can't control themselves, it's just that to a point, in our society, they're told they don't have to, and some seem to have problems stopping at that point. [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1633120' date='Aug 20 2008, 08:06 PM']I'll quote what I quoted before from this article: Essentially, the guy is saying that if the girls weren't dressed that way, they wouldn't get raped. Which is ridiculous, because rapists don't necessarily chose their victims due to their outfits - they rape for power.[/quote] Yes, they rape for power, but they'll also go for ease. It's a lot easier to rape someone who is wearing a miniskirt that it will be to rape a woman wearing jeans. Obviously, since it's possible to get raped while wearing jeans, as well, it's not going to eliminate the problem if no one wore miniskirts, it just may make them more of a target if they are. And I do not mean that they are asking for it or anything like that, just making the point that the way someone is dressed could affect their becoming a target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I think it's crucial to emphasize a certain point: Giving advice for avoiding a crime is not the same thing as saying a person deserves to have a certain crime happen to her if she doesn't fully defend herself against said crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 [quote]Sadly, a lot of men/boys are socialized not to be respectable, though. When men/boys are taught to think of women as objects.[/quote] Yeah, and many women/girls are socialized to dress immodestly because there's this fake idea of beauty out there that says more skin = more beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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