KnightofChrist Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) Should we as Catholics pray for the soul of John Paul II in Purgatory? Or not and assume he is already in heaven? Edited August 17, 2008 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I have no idea....I think it would be a good idea to pray for his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 So do I, the question has been on my mind because all the talk that JPII is a defacto Saint. Or it's just a matter of time talk, which would lead one to believe there would be little need to pray for a Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='Selah' post='1629226' date='Aug 16 2008, 10:26 PM']I have no idea....I think it would be a good idea to pray for his soul. [/quote] Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 There's a line in the Shoes of the Fisherman about the deceased Pope. He says that the Pope will received seven days of masses and seven absolutions because as a greater man, he may have more need of them. I got to read a letter that John Paul had written to my Archbishop once. They became friends as the two youngest bishops at Vatican II. He said he had been in trouble again with his confessor because he'd been sharp with someone he'd caught smoking. He was human after all. I personally believe he spent his time in Purgatory while on Earth. His public mortification caused by his disease and the grace and humility he showed enduring it, inspired many. I think he will be named a saint in short order, but it never hurts to pray for someone's soul. Even the ones who are already in heaven should appreciate being remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Until the Church says otherwise, we should err on the side of caution and pray for his soul. Goodness knows it'll never go to waste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='MissyP89' post='1629261' date='Aug 16 2008, 10:14 PM']Until the Church says otherwise, we should err on the side of caution and pray for his soul. Goodness knows it'll never go to waste![/quote] Exactly. If he doesn't need them, they'll go to someone who does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 One of the Medjugorje visionaries saw Papa with Mary and that is how they knew he was dead. I think he went straight to the arms of our Lord. I pray for all souls in purgatory and especially those who have no one praying for them and for all religious so he is covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1629230' date='Aug 16 2008, 10:31 PM']So do I, the question has been on my mind because all the talk that JPII is a defacto Saint. Or it's just a matter of time talk, which would lead one to believe there would be little need to pray for a Saint.[/quote] Even if it is a matter of time, that does not diminish our need to pray for his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 I like to pray to the previous Holy Father as if he were a saint already... but I've stipulated before in my prayers that if he happens to not be a saint yet, that I'm praying for his soul in purgatory instead. I'm sure God understands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted August 17, 2008 Author Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='XIX' post='1629332' date='Aug 16 2008, 10:17 PM']Even if it is a matter of time, that does not diminish our need to pray for his soul.[/quote] I agree. Whether his soul is in purgatory or heaven changes the type of prayer needed. If he is in purgatory we ought pray for his soul to lesser his 'time' there, which is pain with love. If he is in heaven we could ask him to pray for us. If he is in purgatory and we assume he is in heaven, do we do a disservice to the process of the perfection of his soul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1629404' date='Aug 16 2008, 11:08 PM']If he is in purgatory and we assume he is in heaven, do we do a disservice to the process of the perfection of his soul?[/quote] Just off the top of my head... I'd say no, not really. Maybe not ideal, but honestly, I can't see it hurting in any way. I think God sorts out prayers like that. He knows the intent and the belief. I can't see that going wrong in any way. Edited August 17, 2008 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1629404' date='Aug 17 2008, 12:08 AM']I agree. Whether his soul is in purgatory or heaven changes the type of prayer needed. If he is in purgatory we ought pray for his soul to lesser his 'time' there, which is pain with love. If he is in heaven we could ask him to pray for us. If he is in purgatory and we assume he is in heaven, do we do a disservice to the process of the perfection of his soul?[/quote] I thought when people were in purgatory, they could pray for anyone but themselves, so couldn't he still pray for us, even if he was still in purgatory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 We ought to pray for his soul. Reason being this. The only persons that we know, for certain, to be in heaven are the Saints. Now, with that being said, we should pray for him until such time as we know that he is in heaven (ie. canonization) or we ourselves pass away. Then we will know. Caveat: Once he is canonized (assuming he will be), we should then begin to pray for him to intercede. So, praying for, with, and/or to him is a good idea at any rate and level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1629225' date='Aug 16 2008, 08:23 PM']Should we as Catholics pray for the soul of John Paul II in Purgatory? Or not and assume he is already in heaven?[/quote] There's nothing to assume. The Church has already recognized his first miracle which is necessary to advance his cause. That miracle and the advancement of the Cause are what the Church considers proof that a saint is indeed in Heavenly glory with God. And I'm not praying for his soul in purgatory. I'm absolutely convinced he isn't there. Edited August 17, 2008 by Madame Vengier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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