Christopher West On Katy Perry

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='J.P.' post='1627002' date='Aug 14 2008, 03:07 PM']Agreed! TOB is the at the forefront of a cultural change which would bring God's Kingdom here. If we can first believe our own selves, and our bodies are not "bad", then I believe that we will understand those around us much more than we ever would otherwise.

Katy Perry's song is a perpetuation of the culture of death. Not just another "stupid song" as some would have it. A stupid song would be if I had a Million Dollars by the Barenaked Ladies.

Wake up.[/quote]


No, it's a stupid song. She sings that she kissed a girl ONCE and she liked it but it leads to nothing else. She also sings that she hopes her [u]boyfriend[/u] doesn't mind and that she's glad she got over her "experiment". She is not singing about falling in love with a woman, going to bed with a woman, or entering into a lesbian relationship. She is singing about kissing ONE girl, ONE time. And she also sings that she did so after drinking too much. It's a stupid song. I am not condoning the song, her singing it, or girls kissing girls. What I am saying is that it's outrageous to refer to this STUPID SONG as being a part of "the culture of death". Oh, for heaven's sake. If only life were really so simple. If only a girl kissing another girl while drunk at a party was the worst we had to deal with in life.

The rapes and murders in Darfur...that's the culture of death. Abortion is the culture of death. Contraception. Denying people just wages. Child pornography. Human trafficking. Homosexuality. Not some desperate-for-attention ex-Christian with a chip on her shoulder singing about planting one on another chick after having too much to drink.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1627120' date='Aug 14 2008, 03:01 PM']No, it's a stupid song. She sings that she kissed a girl ONCE and she liked it but it leads to nothing else. She also sings that she hopes her [u]boyfriend[/u] doesn't mind and that she's glad she got over her "experiment". She is not singing about falling in love with a woman, going to bed with a woman, or entering into a lesbian relationship. She is singing about kissing ONE girl, ONE time. And she also sings that she did so after drinking too much. It's a stupid song. I am not condoning the song, her singing it, or girls kissing girls. What I am saying is that it's outrageous to refer to this STUPID SONG as being a part of "the culture of death". Oh, for heaven's sake. If only life were really so simple. If only a girl kissing another girl while drunk at a party was the worst we had to deal with in life.

The rapes and murders in Darfur...that's the culture of death. Abortion is the culture of death. Contraception. Denying people just wages. Child pornography. Human trafficking. Homosexuality. Not some desperate-for-attention ex-Christian with a chip on her shoulder singing about planting one on another chick after having too much to drink.[/quote]

Again, i have to wonder if you listened to the video linked in the OP... A few glimpses of what he said:

[quote]What is our culture coming to here? This song, I think, is exemplary of where we are headed. Now, I am not here to rant and rave about Katy Perry. In fact, I am here to rant and rave about Katy Perry's upbringing...[/quote]

[quote]What do we to say to this woman? What are we to say - you're ruining our youth with your stupid song, "I Kissed a Girl?"[/quote]

West doesn't think so, and neither do i. i personally don't think we should just dismiss her song as a stupid song without relevance, which is why i posted the link in the first place - i thought it offered a very good, Catholic perspective on the song, and i am sorry if you didn't enjoy the video clip.

i think, and he can correct me if i am wrong, that when J.P. said her song was a perpetuation of the culture of death, he was pointing to how the song is a product of, plays into, and perhaps perpetuates a much larger stream in what West called a "sexually perverse culture" - i think our culture is currently saturated in moral relativism, minimalism, and postmodernism, which allow for the issues you raised, like abortion and homosexuality, in the first place.

Peace in Christ.

[J.P.]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1632982' date='Aug 20 2008, 04:42 PM']i think, and he can correct me if i am wrong, that when J.P. said her song was a perpetuation of the culture of death, he was pointing to how the song is a product of, plays into, and perhaps perpetuates a much larger stream in what West called a "sexually perverse culture" - i think our culture is currently saturated in moral relativism, minimalism, and postmodernism, which allow for the issues you raised, like abortion and homosexuality, in the first place.[/quote]

Exactly. Touche. Agreed.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

It points to a greater problem that we are facing. Every problem has its root causes, and it's only when we understand these fruitless roots, can we ever imagine about dealing with a greater problem.

It's like ripping a weed out at its stem and expect it never to grow back. Pull it out by to roots however, and you may have solved the problem for good.

If we ever want to deal with human trafficking and other major problems in the world, we should first try to see where they stem from.

I think that this is also true in our own spritual lives.

Edited August 21, 2008 by J.P.

[Madame Vengier]

I don't disagree with this in general. I'm arguing that Katy Perry's stupid song about kissing one girl, one time, while drunk does NOT fall in to the category of things we should be worried about. There are much, much bigger fish to fry.

[J.P.]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1634095' date='Aug 21 2008, 09:36 PM']I don't disagree with this in general. I'm arguing that Katy Perry's stupid song about kissing one girl, one time, while drunk does NOT fall in to the category of things we should be worried about. There are much, much bigger fish to fry.[/quote]

Understandable.

[jmjtina]

um, she IS kissing girls NOW, in public, while promoting her CD. If you don't watch any media whatsoever, then you are probably safe.

So is this relevant? yes. Especially if you work with teens.

The big fish to fry are one thing, but you still have to watch out for the jellyfish in the water too.

[fides quarens intellectum]