Did Mein Kampf Influence Islamic Terror?

[KnightofChrist]

Did Mein Kampf influence Islamic Terror? Before, during and even now it was and is a very poplar book in the middle east. Thoughts?

[rachael]

Seriously?

[Hassan]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1624728' date='Aug 11 2008, 08:05 PM']Did Mein Kampf influence Islamic Terror? Before, during and even now it was and is a very poplar book in the middle east. Thoughts?[/quote]

That is a, to but it modestly, vague question.

Can you be more specific?

[KnightofChrist]

Yes seriously, I ask after watching a documentary which aired on PBS of WWII, which stated before the war Mein Kampf was translation into Arabic and was very popular in the middle east.

I have heard the arguments that before the formation of the Jewish State of Israel that there was peace between the Jews and Islamic people. I doubt that the formation alone could have cause the bloodshed and hate we have today.

Middle Eastern States or those in them did side with the Axis Powers in WWII, and Mein Kampf was popular then as it is now, it is possible that the relationship between the middle east and Axis Powers during WWII cause the Islamic terror we have today.

[CatherineM]

Present day Islamic Terrorism is based out of the Muslim Brotherhood formed in 1928 because of WWI and the break up of the Ottoman Empire.

As to Mein Kampt, I don't know if it causes trouble still, but it can't help any.

[Hassan]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1624752' date='Aug 11 2008, 08:17 PM']Yes seriously, I ask after watching a documentary which aired on PBS of WWII, which stated before the war Mein Kampf was translation into Arabic and was very popular in the middle east.

I have heard the arguments that before the formation of the Jewish State of Israel that there was peace between the Jews and Islamic people. [b]I doubt that the formation alone could have cause the bloodshed and hate we have today. [/b][i][/i]
Middle Eastern States or those in them did side with the Axis Powers in WWII, and Mein Kampf was popular then as it is now, it is possible that the relationship between the middle east and Axis Powers during WWII cause the Islamic terror we have today.[/quote]

Palestine was (and still is) an extremely important symbol of the Arab nationalism that was emerging at the time. The British led the Palestinian Arabs to believe that if they fought with them during WWI to undermine the Ottoman Empire they would receive their freedom from Colonial rule, when Britain began allowing massive, massive Jewish immigration into Palestine and gave some of the most profitable area to the Jewish immigrants to establish a Jewish state, that was a major rallying cry of Arab nationalism.

then imagine if Muslims were given a giant chunk of present day America by the United Nations, in the subsequent war the Muslims ethnically cleansed a good many American villages, and refused American refugees to return to their former homes, and continued setting up Muslim settlements, driven by a religious fanaticism that the American land was given to them by God, and essentially kept the few surviving American populations in a giant open air prison with constant military incursions into those civilian areas in retribution to American terrorists killing Muslim civilians

That’s a massive oversimplification of a complex issue, but my point is that yes, the existence of Israel all by itself can cause plenty of hatred and anger

People can get somewhat irked by being screwed like that.

There was a fair deal of peace between the extremely small Jewish minority and the larger Arab population however this began to unravel long before Hitler.

Your question makes it seem that you treat Muslim terrorism in the Middle East as some homogenous entity.

Hitler is disturbingly popular in some parts of the Middle East; I haven't been able to find any scientific studies investigating the matter.

The Jerusalem Mufti had ties to Hitler as well. He believed Hitler was going to win and thought he could wrangle Palestinian freedom out of the aftermath if he brown nosed up to him.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1624786' date='Aug 11 2008, 08:46 PM']Palestine was (and still is) an extremely important symbol of the Arab nationalism that was emerging at the time. The British led the Palestinian Arabs to believe that if they fought with them during WWI to undermine the Ottoman Empire they would receive their freedom from Colonial rule, when Britain began allowing massive, massive Jewish immigration into Palestine and gave some of the most profitable area to the Jewish immigrants to establish a Jewish state, that was a major rallying cry of Arab nationalism.

then imagine if Muslims were given a giant chunk of present day America by the United Nations, in the subsequent war the Muslims ethnically cleansed a good many American villages, and refused American refugees to return to their former homes, and continued setting up Muslim settlements, driven by a religious fanaticism that the American land was given to them by God, and essentially kept the few surviving American populations in a giant open air prison with constant military incursions into those civilian areas in retribution to American terrorists killing Muslim civilians

That’s a massive oversimplification of a complex issue, but my point is that yes, the existence of Israel all by itself can cause plenty of hatred and anger

People can get somewhat irked by being screwed like that.

There was a fair deal of peace between the extremely small Jewish minority and the larger Arab population however this began to unravel long before Hitler.

Your question makes it seem that you treat Muslim terrorism in the Middle East as some homogenous entity.

Hitler is disturbingly popular in some parts of the Middle East; I haven't been able to find any scientific studies investigating the matter.

The Jerusalem Mufti had ties to Hitler as well. He believed Hitler was going to win and thought he could wrangle Palestinian freedom out of the aftermath if he brown nosed up to him.[/quote]

I just found an interesting article you may like if you can get to acadamic journals

[i]National Socialism in the Arab near East between 1933 and 1939
Stefan Wild
Die Welt des Islams, New Series, Bd. 25, Nr. 1/4 (1985), pp. 126-173[/i]

[Hassan]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1624776' date='Aug 11 2008, 08:31 PM']Present day Islamic Terrorism is based out of the Muslim Brotherhood formed in 1928 because of WWI and the break up of the Ottoman Empire.

As to Mein Kampt, I don't know if it causes trouble still, but it can't help any.[/quote]


I think that is much to strong a statement which seems to ignore Wahhabism if I may say so. However I'd be very, very interested in hearing more on your views on this.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1624728' date='Aug 11 2008, 09:05 PM']Did Mein Kampf influence Islamic Terror? Before, during and even now it was and is a very poplar book in the middle east. Thoughts?[/quote]
No. Not unless it was written a long long time ago. hehe

It may have justified it in the 1900s though.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1624728' date='Aug 11 2008, 08:05 PM']Did Mein Kampf influence Islamic Terror? Before, during and even now it was and is a very poplar book in the middle east. Thoughts?[/quote]


No, not at all. But I think terrorists and tyrants admire each other which would be an explanation for why that book is popular in the mid-east. Islam teaches hatred of Jews, and millions and millions of Muslims are raised to hate Jews and Israel. It makes sense that Hitler would be admired by them. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a close colleague of Hitler during the Holocaust against the Jews. He greatly admired Hitler b/c Hitler didn't just talk about hating Jews, he actually did something about it.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1625021' date='Aug 12 2008, 04:42 AM']No, not at all. But I think terrorists and tyrants admire each other which would be an explanation for why that book is popular in the mid-east.[/quote]

I take it you do not plan to back this up with anything?

[quote]Islam teaches hatred of Jews[/quote]

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[quote], and millions and millions of Muslims are raised to hate Jews and Israel.[/quote]

broken clocks are correct twice a day after all:detective:

[quote]It makes sense that Hitler would be admired by them. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a close colleague of Hitler during the Holocaust against the Jews. He greatly admired Hitler b/c Hitler didn't just talk about hating Jews, he actually did something about it.[/quote]

Right, he never sided with Hitler because Britain was waning on their promise during WWI to give Palestine autonomy and he felt if he backed (who he felt would be the) the winner he would get a free Palestine out of the deal.

No, that had nothing to do with it.

[Winchester]

A better example would be if the United Nations gave the American Indians some land. The American Indians are to imported Americans what the Jews are to the Arabs.

[quote]broken clocks are correct twice a day after all[/quote]
Not military clocks.

[ruso]

The grand mutfi of Jerusalem Amin Al-Husseini(uncle of Yasser Arafat), he was a personal friend of Hitler, recruited the two Muslim divisions of the SS, with Muslims from the former Yugoslavia. He contributed to the Nazis was launched to exterminate the Jews, rather than deport them weighing as do some leaders Nazis.

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When the war started against the Jews of Israel, the Palestinians already had prepared.
On the other hand, the "Muslim brothers" came along with the Nazis, his program consists of a strong anti-Semitism, they had contacts with the Nazis during the war and many Nazis took refuge in Egypt when ending the war.
The admiration of the Islamists by Hitler is no doubt.

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[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='ruso' post='1625933' date='Aug 13 2008, 06:35 AM']The grand mutfi of Jerusalem Amin Al-Husseini(uncle of Yasser Arafat), he was a personal friend of Hitler, recruited the two Muslim divisions of the SS, with Muslims from the former Yugoslavia. He contributed to the Nazis was launched to exterminate the Jews, rather than deport them weighing as do some leaders Nazis.[/quote]


Perfect.

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[Deb]

Well then. Mein Kampf probably had no influence with Islamic Terror. Hitler himself?