For The Guys: Woman's Beach Volleyball, Sin, What Is Lust?

[havok579257]

[quote name='MissyP89' post='1623753' date='Aug 10 2008, 09:52 PM']I find it interesting that the men wear jerseys and are modest, while the woman are allowed to be practically nude.[/quote]But the roles are reversed when it comes to swimming.  Men wear small skimpy speedo's and women wear one pieces.

[SaintOlaf]

Actually with the new LZR suits popular for both men and women, over half the men now are in a full body suit also, with the exception of maybe the Fly/Breast sprint races wear the new LZR suit isn't as effective in streamlining.

[age the magnificent]

[quote name='SaintOlaf' post='1624894' date='Aug 11 2008, 11:58 PM']Actually with the new LZR suits popular for both men and women, over half the men now are in a full body suit also, with the exception of maybe the Fly/Breast sprint races wear the new LZR suit isn't as effective in streamlining.[/quote]


and when they`re not wearing the LZR full body it`s the long pants. Water polo`s the one with speedos.

[dominicansoul]

[quote]2004 Olympic bronze medalist Holly McPeak digs up an answer to the question: Why do the men wear shirts while women compete in bikinis?
"Women choose to wear a two piece bathing suit because it is the least restrictive uniform possible. Not only are you battling the heat of the sun, but you are diving around in the sand. Imagine the feel of sand inside your clothes combined with sweat. I can't think of anything worse. I prefer to see the men play without shirts. When male players train they traditionally choose to wear a longer boardshort to their knees. But the governing international body for the sport prefers a cleaner look with their country, names and numbers on their shirts. The biggest question I hear is, aren't you self-conscious competing in a bathing suit? Not at all. When we are competing we do not think of our uniforms as revealing or sexy but as great athletic machines. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." --McPeak[/quote]
(from Yahoo!Sports)



And I guess bikinis are a cleaner look?

Edited August 13, 2008 by dominicansoul

[Era Might]

St. Alphonsus talks about how the only way to resist the sin of impurity is to be a coward. In other words, you must flee occasions of sin, as if you were a soldier running away from a battle. You won't be destroyed in battle if you run away!

Those who deliberately choose to face an occasion of sin may survive that battle (that is, they may survive that particular occasion of sin), but they will be wounded, and eventually they will lose the war (that is, they will eventually fall into sin).

[Nihil Obstat]

I think the deeper question, however, is this:
At what point does 'admiration', shall we say, of God's creation, a healthy admiration, turn into unhealthy lust? A fine line, I'm sure, but where is it?
At what point does an appreciation of physical beauty turn into an immoral preoccupation...?

[N/A Gone]

It is not an olympic thing. They wear very similar uniforms when they play in normal tourneys. I have seen Walsh and May before. Being on the sand in the heat is nuts and anything they can do to help them with that is fine.

[Seven77]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1626851' date='Aug 14 2008, 11:05 AM']Being on the sand in the heat is nuts and anything they can do to help them with that is fine.[/quote]

i didn't realize that females get warmer on sand in the heat...maybe that explains it.

[uruviel]

Yeah umm... it's pretty hot today so I decided to play naked, I hope no one minds.

That doesn't seem logical. If it is hot, that does not simply mean take off more clothes until you can't any longer.

I really don't have a problem with men's swimming... I just like seeing how fast they go and rooting for the US. I never did have a problem watching it.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1626360' date='Aug 13 2008, 06:14 PM']I think the deeper question, however, is this:
At what point does 'admiration', shall we say, of God's creation, a healthy admiration, turn into unhealthy lust? A fine line, I'm sure, but where is it?
At what point does an appreciation of physical beauty turn into an immoral preoccupation...?[/quote]
This wasn't a rhetoretical question. I was actually hoping someone would address it.

[Seven77]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1630298' date='Aug 17 2008, 11:43 PM']This wasn't a rhetoretical question. I was actually hoping someone would address it. [/quote]

I originally posted hoping someone would answer that... i believe that if:

1. there is a 'need' for excessive mental justification...for making many excuses for it
2. it pricks you or gives you strong feelings of guilt
3. you are obsessed and cannot move on/away

then stay away.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Seven77' post='1637859' date='Aug 25 2008, 04:02 PM']I originally posted hoping someone would answer that... i believe that if:

1. there is a 'need' for excessive mental justification...for making many excuses for it
2. it pricks you or gives you strong feelings of guilt
3. you are obsessed and cannot move on/away

then stay away.[/quote]
In terms of one and two... I dunno, seems too subjective to me. Some people are pretty scrupulous. Anyway, being a guy, I'd love to know how people view where this line is drawn. #3 I definitely agree with... but it may only help in circumstances that are already certainly wrong.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1626360' date='Aug 13 2008, 08:14 PM']I think the deeper question, however, is this:
At what point does 'admiration', shall we say, of God's creation, a healthy admiration, turn into unhealthy lust? A fine line, I'm sure, but where is it?
At what point does an appreciation of physical beauty turn into an immoral preoccupation...?[/quote]

Not sure how that can be answered with any kind of objective "line" or boundary. You have to check your own heart to know whether you are admiring or objectifying another person. Of course, usually the difference will manifest itself in the comments you might make, even if it's sarcasm (Family Guy fan here... I know a thing or two about sarcasm ).

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1640287' date='Aug 28 2008, 08:04 AM']Not sure how that can be answered with any kind of objective "line" or boundary. You have to check your own heart to know whether you are admiring or objectifying another person. Of course, usually the difference will manifest itself in the comments you might make, even if it's sarcasm (Family Guy fan here... I know a thing or two about sarcasm ).[/quote]
Sarcasm is fun sometimes.
I see what you mean though. The only trouble is that I think a lot of people simply can't recognize that bounday within themselves, simply don't know how to check their own hearts.

[Innocent]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1626360' date='Aug 14 2008, 05:44 AM']I think the deeper question, however, is this:
At what point does 'admiration', shall we say, of God's creation, a healthy admiration, turn into unhealthy lust? A fine line, I'm sure, but where is it?
At what point does an appreciation of physical beauty turn into an immoral preoccupation...?[/quote]

Hi.

My two cents on this question:

For a person already struggling greatly with lust the answer is easy: Be wary of any feelings of admiration of the physical beauty of the opposite gender, as they could easily develop into proximate occasions of the sin of lustful imaginations consciously entertained.

For someone who doesn't struggle with lust, the answer is less easy. I don't know the answer to the question in this case. But I suppose honest awareness and self-observation of our mental and physical state would tell us when admiration has crossed over to lust, wouldn't it?

AMDG,
Innocent.