HisChildForever Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I was checking out some anti-abortion vids on YouTube, and this one really made me think: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo...feature=related[/url] In case you don't have the time to watch the entire thing, the interviewer was asking each individual protester, "If abortion were made illegal, and a woman got one anyway, what should be her punishment?" The people asked were very unsure of how to respond, and some simply said that they didn't know. So I pose the exact same question to you, my fellow Phatmassers. Should the woman...go to jail (a year or less), prison (a year or more), rehab, counseling, etc.? Surely there has to be a form of punishment, otherwise there would be no point in making abortion illegal - after all, just because something is illegal doesn't mean people won't do it, but if there is a punishment and a good chance that the person will be caught, well that's another deterrent. In my opinion, it should be handled just like any other homocide case. Depending on the trial, the evidence, the state of the woman at the time of the abortion (even her state before and after), I feel that there could be many different punishments. One woman might have to spend a couple of months at a rehab facility for counseling - perhaps she's seventeen and her parents, boyfriend, etc. severely pressured her - and another woman might go to prison for a couple of years (she was fully willing and fully aware of her actions). So...discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 It's murder. I often wonder if the pro-choice group would be unmoved if someone went into a nursery and systematically dismembered a newborn with a knife. If they are disgusted/shaken/horrified, etc., then I can't understand why they're ok with it, so long as it's concealed by the womb. It should be punished, then, the same as if she'd deliver the baby and kill the child by any other means. So, whatever the sentence is for premeditated murder in the state in which it is committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 [quote]It should be punished, then, the same as if she'd deliver the baby and kill the child by any other means.[/quote] That's excellent. I'm surprised no one in the video thought of that! I should have added a similar question about the doctors, heck even nurses. I'm surprised that the interviewer in that video neglected them and their involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thicke Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 It depends on the reasons for making it illegal. Right now, the most likely scenario where Roe vs. Wade gets made inert would be a constitutional amendment acknowledging the personhood of an unborn baby (something we all know to be true anyway), thereby giving them the rights and freedoms that are given to born persons. In that case, an abortion would be an act of murder legally. The doctor would be committing first degree murder. Not sure what the mother's role would be classified as. I would guess conspiracy to commit murder. Other scenarios could mean something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1617545' date='Aug 4 2008, 08:57 PM']It's murder. It should be punished, then, the same as if she'd deliver the baby and kill the child by any other means.[/quote] I would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 there should be community service involved definitely. maybe a fine. the community service acts to deter women, who have money. the fine should be sever er if it ever happens again. later term abortions should have higher penalties up to capital murder. to compare murder regularly thought of and abortion early on, is silly, to treat them as if they are the same. reasonable people can disagree. i think reasonable people can think it's not silly... and think me wrong... but i simply disagree and think it silly. there's biological and philosophical arguments, that at least should make a person question whether it's a person. considering that, and considering that people beleive those arguments, we should have a little more respect for their positions... even if it means we are outlawing abortion, but having lighter punishments sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I think it would depend on the mother's involvement what the punishment should be --if she was forced or if she went willingly, etc. But that would be the sort of thing taken into account in any murder case, so yes, I think it should be treated as the murder it is, and decided in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 people act like prochoice people argue it's not a person, or that it's debateable... to sooth their conscience. really, the truth is more like the opposite, to a large degree. prolife persons who says the case is closed on the issue, are simply choosing to sooth their conscience for wanting to put a women in jail for life etc, to avoid uncertainty, to have clear answers where there are none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1617650' date='Aug 4 2008, 10:46 PM']people act like prochoice people argue it's not a person, or that it's debateable... to sooth their conscience. really, the truth is more like the opposite, to a large degree. prolife persons who says the case is closed on the issue, are simply choosing to sooth their conscience for wanting to put a women in jail for life etc, to avoid uncertainty, to have clear answers where there are none.[/quote] I fail to see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1617669' date='Aug 4 2008, 10:49 PM']I fail to see your point.[/quote] i fail to see yours. i'll debate you on the personhood stuff if you want,,, i have a whole ton of this stuff in past threads ready to be rehashed. just let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1617711' date='Aug 4 2008, 11:02 PM']i fail to see yours. i'll debate you on the personhood stuff if you want,,, i have a whole ton of this stuff in past threads ready to be rehashed. just let me know.[/quote] My point was that I would appreciate clarification on the bit I quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 also... if you genuniely failed to see my point i'll be clearer. people who think it's clearly murder are misguided or rationalizing their position. therefore, their conclusions that women who have an abortion with the morning after pill.... should be treated as run of the mill murderers,,, are not valid, because most abortion and run of the mill murder have too many dissimilarities to treat the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 well, i shouldn't be so general. there are some i think who could genuinely think its murder. their position is respectable. most, not all, people are misguided or rationalizing, who think it's murder though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 *who htink it should be treated like murder* the last sentence should say in the last post. my edit button isn't working. technical problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1617718' date='Aug 4 2008, 11:05 PM']also... if you genuniely failed to see my point i'll be clearer.[/quote] I truly did. I wasn't being facetious. [quote]people who think it's clearly murder are misguided or rationalizing their position. therefore, their conclusions that women who have an abortion with the morning after pill.... should be treated as run of the mill murderers,,, are not valid, because most abortion and run of the mill murder have too many dissimilarities to treat the same.[/quote] How are they dissimilar? Aren't they both the premature ending of a human life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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