If Marijuana Were Legal Would You Consider It A Sin To Use It ?

[KOIfriend]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1622263' date='Aug 9 2008, 12:53 AM']Nope. I think that the plant that it comes from is good for other things, such as making suits. [/quote]

Interesting, that suit would have two purposes, one for work, and one to relieve the stress after the work! LOL!

[Deb]

[quote name='KOIfriend' post='1622298' date='Aug 9 2008, 12:48 AM']Interesting, that suit would have two purposes, one for work, and one to relieve the stress after the work! LOL![/quote]


Seeing as it is illegal, then using it would be a sin.

[Deb]

[quote name='Deb' post='1620770' date='Aug 7 2008, 08:18 PM']Okay. When one is in any altered state, stoned or buzzed from alcohol, their face is turned from God. I don't know too many people who get high or drink and then go to Mass or adoration or decide to read the bible or pray. Maybe I am wrong but, I got high with a whole lot of people in my life and I never saw anyone do any of that. (although, I was pretty sure I was THIS close to God the first time I dropped acid)

So, please, help me not be judgemental and unfair and fill me in on all the reasons people get high and how they keep their face turned towards God while they are doing that? I don't want to be judgemental and unfair. I am very serious. Please, enlighten me. Help me learn something new today.[/quote]

What happened to Saved by Grace? I am still waiting for a response.

[saved by grace]

[quote name='Deb' post='1620770' date='Aug 7 2008, 07:18 PM']Okay. When one is in any altered state, stoned or buzzed from alcohol, their face is turned from God. I don't know too many people who get high or drink and then go to Mass or adoration or decide to read the bible or pray. Maybe I am wrong but, I got high with a whole lot of people in my life and I never saw anyone do any of that. (although, I was pretty sure I was THIS close to God the first time I dropped acid)

So, please, help me not be judgemental and unfair and fill me in on all the reasons people get high and how they keep their face turned towards God while they are doing that? I don't want to be judgemental and unfair. I am very serious. Please, enlighten me. Help me learn something new today.[/quote]

Hi Deb,
I really dont want to speak for other peolple or say what other peoples intentions are. You say when one is in any altered state, stoned or buzzed from alcohol, their face is turned from God. I just dont agree with this statement. I think if this were true then the church would make it a mortal sin to even obtain a buzz from alcohol. We know that isnt the case though.
Now I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that most people dont drink to get drunk or obtain a pretty strong buzz, or that people who smoke marijuana dont smoke it to get totally stoned and not be motivated to do anything. I think this is the case with a whole bunch of people. And to these people I agree it is better they stay sober and dont even try to use either "DRUGS" in moderation.
My point though is that it is possible to use both of these drugs in moderation. One can have a few drinks and obtain a buzz and in my opinon not turn their face from God. Just like I believe one can intake a small amount of marijuana and obtain a light buzz and not turn their face from God. So while I see what you're saying I dont agree with it completly because I feel as if you are saying that all people who choose to use either of these drugs in moderation are turning their faces from God. I feel when you say this you are judgeing and I dont believe that is fair.
So while you may be right that alot of people use both of these drugs for the wrong reason, I dont think you can say surely that if one is to use in moderation that they are commiting sin. Again I think it comes back to that person and God. Only God can decide if it is sin for that person. With that being said I dont think you should every try to convince someone who thinks its a sin that it is not a sin. If they view it as a sin then it is sin for them.
But for the person who doesnt view it as sin then they will be judged by God and he will decide. I dont think they should be judged by the one who abstains and be told what they are doing is sin just because that person views it as sin in their life. And again marijuana is illegal so it really dont even matter. But my question was if it were legal would you consder it sin. And you think it would be and I respect your opinon. Godbless !

Edited August 11, 2008 by saved by grace

[havok579257]

[quote name='Deb' post='1620770' date='Aug 7 2008, 08:18 PM']Okay. When one is in any altered state, stoned or buzzed from alcohol, their face is turned from God. I don't know too many people who get high or drink and then go to Mass or adoration or decide to read the bible or pray.  Maybe I am wrong but, I got high with a whole lot of people in my life and I never saw anyone do any of that. (although, I was pretty sure I was THIS close to God the first time I dropped acid) So, please, help me not be judgemental and unfair and fill me in on all the reasons people get high and how they keep their face turned towards God while they are doing that? I don't want to be judgemental and unfair. I am very serious. Please, enlighten me. Help me learn something new today.[/quote]I think your going a little extreme hear.  You seem to be implying that when somoene is not stoned, high or drunk that they are always doing things to glorify God.  What about when someone is watching tv?  Let's say someone watches Lost on tv.  Are you implying that somoene is glorifying God by watching tv?  The thing is, not every single thing we as human's do glorify God.  Its not that thier bad things, they are just things.  Like watching tv, relaxing some and read books for lesiure, cleaning the house and so on and so on.  So then why must  someone who gets stoned, drunk, high or whatever have everything they do glorify God.  Explain to me what the difference is if a group of friends get drunk or high and hang out with each other, doing nothing different than they normally do?  Now have the same scenerio, but minus the alochol or drugs?  What's the difference?  Is there really one?The reasons people get high are the same reasons people go out on the town, go dancing, go watch tv, go hang out with friends.  They do it just for fun.  Just because someone is high or drunk, does not automatically mean they are turning away from God.  Only if they are comitting sin are they turning away from God.

[havok579257]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1624340' date='Aug 11 2008, 04:17 PM']Hi Deb,
I really dont want to speak for other peolple or say what other peoples intentions are. You say when one is in any altered state, stoned or buzzed from alcohol, their face is turned from God. I just dont agree with this statement. I think if this were true then the church would make it a mortal sin to even obtain a buzz from alcohol. We know that isnt the case though.
Now I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that most people dont drink to get drunk or obtain a pretty strong buzz, or that people who smoke marijuana dont smoke it to get totally stoned and not be motivated to do anything. I think this is the case with a whole bunch of people. And to these people I agree it is better they stay sober and dont even try to use either "DRUGS" in moderation.
My point though is that it is possible to use both of these drugs in moderation. One can have a few drinks and obtain a buzz and in my opinon not turn their face from God. Just like I believe one can intake a small amount of marijuana and obtain a light buzz and not turn their face from God. So while I see what you're saying I dont agree with it completly because I feel as if you are saying that all people who choose to use either of these drugs in moderation are turning their faces from God. I feel when you say this you are judgeing and I dont believe that is fair.
So while you may be right that alot of people use both of these drugs for the wrong reason, I dont think you can say surely that if one is to use in moderation that they are commiting sin. Again I think it comes back to that person and God. Only God can decide if it is sin for that person. With that being said I dont think you should every try to convince someone who thinks its a sin that it is not a sin. If they view it as a sin then it is sin for them.
But for the person who doesnt view it as sin then they will be judged by God and he will decide. I dont think they should be judged by the one who abstains and be told what they are doing is sin just because that person views it as sin in their life. And again marijuana is illegal so it really dont even matter. But my question was if it were legal would you consder it sin. And you think it would be and I respect your opinon. Godbless ![/quote]


Just because its illegal does not make it a sin. If we deem the law to be unjust then we are not called to follow it. We are only called to follow just laws and that in the end is up to the individual, same as if someone considereds alcohol and drugs to be a sin no matter what.

[cmotherofpirl]

Doing a drug that harms you body in a major way is not a sin?
Are we not supposed to be temples of the Holy Spirit?

[havok579257]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1624394' date='Aug 11 2008, 04:54 PM']Doing a drug that harms you body in a major way is not a sin?
Are we not supposed to be temples of the Holy Spirit?[/quote]

What do you mean harms your body in a major way? Unless your a habitual weed smoker or alocoholic, then your not doing any more damage to your body than you are if you eat excessive fats, sugars and calories from fast food places. Should we then stop all intake of food that is deemed not good for you?

[saved by grace]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1624388' date='Aug 11 2008, 03:50 PM']Just because its illegal does not make it a sin. If we deem the law to be unjust then we are not called to follow it. We are only called to follow just laws and that in the end is up to the individual, same as if someone considereds alcohol and drugs to be a sin no matter what.[/quote]

i agree.

[saved by grace]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1624382' date='Aug 11 2008, 03:47 PM']I think your going a little extreme hear.  You seem to be implying that when somoene is not stoned, high or drunk that they are always doing things to glorify God.  What about when someone is watching tv?  Let's say someone watches Lost on tv.  Are you implying that somoene is glorifying God by watching tv?  The thing is, not every single thing we as human's do glorify God.  Its not that thier bad things, they are just things.  Like watching tv, relaxing some and read books for lesiure, cleaning the house and so on and so on.  So then why must  someone who gets stoned, drunk, high or whatever have everything they do glorify God.  Explain to me what the difference is if a group of friends get drunk or high and hang out with each other, doing nothing different than they normally do?  Now have the same scenerio, but minus the alochol or drugs?  What's the difference?  Is there really one?The reasons people get high are the same reasons people go out on the town, go dancing, go watch tv, go hang out with friends.  They do it just for fun.  Just because someone is high or drunk, does not automatically mean they are turning away from God.  Only if they are comitting sin are they turning away from God.[/quote]

I agree with you and I dont. We should not get drunk and the church tells us that is a mortal sin. I confess this often at confession and am trying to be able to drink responsibly and not have one to many. As far as smokeing I think it should only be done in small amounts if done at all. Some of the activites I like to do with a little buzz from marijuana is read, watch some tv, listen to music, ect. I agree Deb that one probally wouldnt drink or use marijuana before mass, but at the same time I dont think its sin to be used in moderation when doing other activites that I listed. Just my opinon though and God will judge me.

Edited August 11, 2008 by saved by grace

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1624399' date='Aug 11 2008, 05:59 PM']What do you mean harms your body in a major way? Unless your a habitual weed smoker or alocoholic, then your not doing any more damage to your body than you are if you eat excessive fats, sugars and calories from fast food places. Should we then stop all intake of food that is deemed not good for you?[/quote]
Using a chemical that destroys your lungs, leaves you open to a virus that causes cancer, is connected to increased risk of stroke, increases risk of HepC liver damage, increases your risk of psychosis, effects your unborn children, increases depression, and makes you even more stupid than the day your were born, yeah I qualify it as a sin.

[havok579257]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1624425' date='Aug 11 2008, 05:16 PM']I agree with you and I dont. We should not get drunk and the church tells us that is a mortal sin. I confess this often at confession and am trying to be able to drink responsibly and not have one to many. As far as smokeing I think it should only be done in small amounts if done at all. Some of the activites I like to do with a little buzz from marijuana is read, watch some tv, listen to music, ect. I agree Deb that one probally wouldnt drink or use marijuana before mass, but at the same time I dont think its sin to be used in moderation when doing other activites that I listed. Just my opinon though and God will judge me.[/quote]

But here's the problem, what constatutes someone being drunk? Here is the problem? There is no medical number that says if someone has had this much to drink, then they are drunk. For some, 3 beers and they could be really drunk. For others a 12 pack may barely get the person buzzed. The church teaches us not to get into a state of drunkeness. Although that depends on each person. One person may believe they are drunk and if the someone else is in the same state, they may not consider themselfs drunk.

[havok579257]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1624427' date='Aug 11 2008, 05:19 PM']Using a chemical that destroys your lungs, leaves you open to a virus that causes cancer, is connected to increased risk of stroke, increases risk of HepC liver damage, increases your risk of psychosis, effects your unborn children, increases depression, and makes you even more stupid than the day your were born, yeah I qualify it as a sin.[/quote]

So may I ask, are you against fast food resturnaunts and most resturanunts in general? Do you make sure to avoid any foods with excessive fats and sugars and calories? Do you avoid things such as suagrs and sweets except in small moderation. Cause these things damage the heart, arteries, liver, colon, teeth, gums, BP, unborn child and lead to things like heart disease, heart attacks, CAD, liver damage, tooth decay, high BP which leads to heart damage, diabities, gestational diabities, diabities in children and so on and so on?

Just wondering why you consider the line is?

[Deb]

[quote name='havok579257' post='1624382' date='Aug 11 2008, 04:47 PM']I think your going a little extreme hear. You seem to be implying that when somoene is not stoned, high or drunk that they are always doing things to glorify God. What about when someone is watching tv? Let's say someone watches Lost on tv. Are you implying that somoene is glorifying God by watching tv? The thing is, not every single thing we as human's do glorify God. Its not that thier bad things, they are just things. Like watching tv, relaxing some and read books for lesiure, cleaning the house and so on and so on. So then why must someone who gets stoned, drunk, high or whatever have everything they do glorify God. Explain to me what the difference is if a group of friends get drunk or high and hang out with each other, doing nothing different than they normally do? Now have the same scenerio, but minus the alochol or drugs? What's the difference? Is there really one?The reasons people get high are the same reasons people go out on the town, go dancing, go watch tv, go hang out with friends. They do it just for fun. Just because someone is high or drunk, does not automatically mean they are turning away from God. Only if they are comitting sin are they turning away from God.[/quote]

Actually, we should be praying unceasingly. That is not always an easy thing to do. If one is influenced or attached to things of this world, they are turning from God.

You ask what the difference is between a group of people hanging out getting stoned or drunk or just hanging out. You ask if there really is one? If there isn't, then why the need to be stoned or drunk? We are to live our lives as Christ did. He didn't need to be stoned or drunk to hang out with his friends.

Every single thing we do, we do by the grace of God. Everything we do should be glorifying God. Therein lies the problem. People are so used to doing everything to glorify themselves or make themselves feel good or to rationalize or justify every single thing they do as okay because that is how they get through life. If everyone really lived their lives in union with Christ, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I cannot debate watching television with you because I do not watch televsion. I would rather be in adoration or at Mass or yes, glorifying my Lord than wasting my hours tied to a medium that contributes absolutely nothing to my life.

I read constantly for leisure. My book choices now however are not usually secular books. I toss one in now and then, but, they do not give me the joy that spiritual reading does.

Fun is relative to each person. You want to get stoned and drunk for your fun, go ahead. I could care less. I can go out with friends, stay sober and have a great time. God is always with me. He never leaves my mind or my heart at any time. Humans live to distract themselves from their lives. Humans are very far from God. Not all, but evidenced by our society, the values, the lack of morals, the pornography, the objectification of bodies, the violence, abortion, discontenct, and disunity point to a great number of Godless people in this world. If the 90+% of people in this country who claim to believe in God actually lived their lives in accordance with his will, we would not have any of this.

There is only one who knows what is in the heart of every person and that is God. I would not point out to a friend who is getting high that they are sinning. That is their own business. They don't push me to get high because they know I am not interested and they respect that. If they ask me my opinion, I will tell them. That is exactly what I am doing here. A question was posed and I answered it based on my beliefs. No one said you had to agree with me. In my life, Got wanted my attention, my full and constant attention. My sober attention. I complied and that has colored my viewpoints from that moment on.

[zwergel88]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1624427' date='Aug 11 2008, 04:19 PM']Using a chemical that destroys your lungs, leaves you open to a virus that causes cancer, is connected to increased risk of stroke, increases risk of HepC liver damage, increases your risk of psychosis, effects your unborn children, increases depression, and makes you even more stupid than the day your were born, yeah I qualify it as a sin.[/quote]


All of these effects that claim to result from smoking marijuana have not been proven. Sure, smoking [i]anything[/i] is bad for you, but most people do not smoke enough weed to warrent a serious concern. Cigarette smoking is much more dangerous because of the volume that people smoke as a result of nicotine addition, yet it is generally not classified as a sin.

Effects such as physhosis and depression only occur in the most frequent users, not in occasional social users. The positive effects of marijuana smoking, and the benefits that it can provide to people suffering from many different medical conditions such as aids, cancer, glaucoma, and chronic pain, have been proven much more conclusively.

FYI, I do NOT smoke pot. I just seriously think that it is time that this country legalized it. We need to stop filling up our prisons with non-violent offenders, and legalizing would also eliminate large amounts of drug related violence and provide revenue for the government if a tax was placed on sales.