If Marijuana Were Legal Would You Consider It A Sin To Use It ?

[saved by grace]

1 Timothy chapter four sums it up pretty much when put together with genesis. We learn in genesis marijuana is a seed bearing plant and can be used for food since God said every seed bearing plant is good and to be used as food. Further no one can argue and say that marijuana is harmfull and toxic in and of itself. Sure it may have bad effects on some but not on all. The same can be said with alcohol. Anyhow 1 Timothy chapter four goes to say in the latter days some will require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. It goes on to say [font="Arial Black"]" For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when recieved with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer "[/font]

So from that verse I think its fair to say that if one believes in God and uses marijuana with thanksgiving to God, it is not a sin for that person to use it. Since it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer.
The opposite would be true for someone who thinks its sin since it would not be taken with thanksgiving to God.

Edited July 31, 2008 by saved by grace

[Deb]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1613352' date='Jul 30 2008, 08:17 PM']1 Timothy chapter four sums it up pretty much when put together with genesis. We learn in genesis marijuana is a seed bearing plant and can be used for food since God said every seed bearing plant is good and to be used as food. Further no one can argue and say that marijuana is harmfull and toxic in and of itself. Sure it may have bad effects on some but not on all. The same can be said with alcohol. Anyhow 1 Timothy chapter four goes to say in the latter days some will require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. It goes on to say [font="Arial Black"]" For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when recieved with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer "[/font]

So from that verse I think its fair to say that if one believes in God and uses marijuana with thanksgiving to God, it is not a sin for that person to use it. Since it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer.
The opposite would be true for someone who thinks its sin since it would not be taken with thanksgiving to God.[/quote]


The seeds from Castor Bean, Larkspur, Wisteria, Nightshade, Jinsom Weed and Buttercup will all kill you. They should not be used for food so, obviously not all seed bearing plants are good and should be used for food. It takes some common sense also.

Using Timothy I, Chapter IV as your reasoning doesn't work either because you are ignoring the before and after. Here is the entire verse:
[b]Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and demonic instructions [/b][b]through the hypocrisy of liars with branded consciences. [/b][b]They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. [/b][b] [/b][b]For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer.If you will give these instructions to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound teaching you have followed. [/b][b]Avoid profane and silly myths. Train yourself for devotion, [/b][b]for, while physical training is of limited value, devotion is valuable in every respect, since it holds a promise of life both for the present and for the future. [/b][b]This saying is trustworthy and deserves full acceptance. [/b][b]For this we toil and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the savior of all, especially of those who believe. [/b][b] Command and teach these things. [/b][b]Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity. [/b][b]Until I arrive, attend to the reading, exhortation, and teaching. [/b][b]Do not neglect the gift you have, which was conferred on you through the prophetic word with the imposition of hands of the presbyterate. [/b][b]Be diligent in these matters, be absorbed in them, so that your progress may be evident to everyone. [/b][b] [/b][b]Attend to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in both tasks, for by doing so you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.

[/b]Now, some could say that those advocating the drugging of their mind, which removes them from God, for no other purpose than to escape reality and the truth would be "paying attention to deceitful spirits.
The part of this chapter that talks about abstinence from foods has to do with the Hebrew restrictions on food in the old Testament which Jesus removed. The restrictions were put in place as one way in which those who felt themselves to be Righteous could identify themselves as such from those who were not. In fact, you really cannot compare Timothy I with Genesis at all. It has nothing whatsoever to do with advocating any seed bearing plant nor the context in which you are using it. It does not say all food that one uses in thanksgiving by God should be ingested at all.
I would tell you to try again but, you will most likely find some other obscure passage that in its few sentences would allow you to rationalize what you want to believe, but in reality, taken without a knowledge of the entire bible and how each part relates to another, will be meaningless.
That is the problem with pulling a sentence out of the bible. It rarely means what most people think it means or wants it to mean. The bible is a whole, all is intertwined.
Have at it though. I find it amusing.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1611231' date='Jul 28 2008, 11:27 PM']If I mistakenly referred to it as such I apologize.[/quote]

You didn't.

[saved by grace]

Ok deb so if its sin for you its sin for me to ?
Thats pretty much how you're putting it.
You're saying that everybody that uses weed does it to seperated themselves from God.
You smoked for how many years and then asked God to remove it from your life.
Good for you i'm glad you stopped if it was a problem for you.
I dont know how that gives you the authority to tell everyone else they are sinning if they dont stop though.
Again if you're gonna take this approach then throw alcohol in there also.
It is as much of a problem as marijuana if not worse.
The problem is though you cant because the church doesnt take that stance on the matter.
So you cant then judge and decide if it is sin or not.

Edited August 5, 2008 by saved by grace

[Deb]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1618415' date='Aug 5 2008, 06:13 PM']Ok deb so if its sin for you its sin for me to ?
Thats pretty much how you're putting it.
You're saying that everybody that uses weed does it to seperated themselves from God.
You smoked for how many years and then asked God to remove it from your life.
Good for you i'm glad you stopped if it was a problem for you.
I dont know how that gives you the authority to tell everyone else they are sinning if they dont stop though.
Again if you're gonna take this approach then throw alcohol in there also.
It is as much of a problem as marijuana if not worse.
The problem is though you cant because the church doesnt take that stance on the matter.
So you cant then judge and decide if it is sin or not.[/quote]

No, I said that everyone who smokes pot does it to escape the reality of the moment. When you do that, you are turning your face from God.
Smoking pot wasn't a problem for me. I loved it. God didn't so I asked him to take the desire for me to want to escape from my reality so that I could live in his. He did.
I guess no one gave me the authority to tell everyone else they are sinning. I believe this is on the debate board, is it not. So, unless you have some kind of factual, scientific study regarding the validity of sin and pot and all the other issues, I have the right to voice my opinion based on my religious beliefs.
Why don't you write the Pope and ask him.

[XIX]

[quote name='Deb' post='1615942' date='Aug 2 2008, 03:52 PM']The seeds from Castor Bean, Larkspur, Wisteria, Nightshade, Jinsom Weed and [b]Buttercup [/b]will all kill you.[/quote]
Did anybody tell Westley about this??!

[Ziggamafu]

If it were legalized, I suppose I would not find any problem with [i]ingesting [/i]it in responsible moderation for recreation, much like alcohol, coffee, or the puffing of a good cigar.

However, inhaling smoke (cigarettes, pot...whatever) is clearly damaging; to me, it is self-mutilation. Although there are risk factors associated with a great many recreational activities (even those commonly considered healthy, such as weight-training), smoking is clearly and immediately damaging to one's lungs.

JMO.

[saved by grace]

[quote name='Deb' post='1618520' date='Aug 5 2008, 06:05 PM']No, I said that everyone who smokes pot does it to escape the reality of the moment. When you do that, you are turning your face from God.[/quote]

I dont agree with either of these statements.
Although you are entitled to an opinon and we are on a debate board, I dont know how you can say that "EVERYONE" who smokes marijuana turns their face from God.
I think that is very judgemental and unfair.
Godbless you.

[Deb]

[quote name='saved by grace' post='1620375' date='Aug 7 2008, 03:31 PM']I dont agree with either of these statements.
Although you are entitled to an opinon and we are on a debate board, I dont know how you can say that "EVERYONE" who smokes marijuana turns their face from God.
I think that is very judgemental and unfair.
Godbless you.[/quote]

Okay. When one is in any altered state, stoned or buzzed from alcohol, their face is turned from God. I don't know too many people who get high or drink and then go to Mass or adoration or decide to read the bible or pray. Maybe I am wrong but, I got high with a whole lot of people in my life and I never saw anyone do any of that. (although, I was pretty sure I was THIS close to God the first time I dropped acid)

So, please, help me not be judgemental and unfair and fill me in on all the reasons people get high and how they keep their face turned towards God while they are doing that? I don't want to be judgemental and unfair. I am very serious. Please, enlighten me. Help me learn something new today.

[Deb]

[quote name='XIX' post='1618579' date='Aug 5 2008, 07:51 PM'] Did anybody tell Westley about this??![/quote]


Well, in a way, Buttercup did kill him once. I do think that particular Buttercup wasn't poisonous. (that is my fav movie of all time.)

[Cam42]

The answer to this question is yes.

Just because something is legal does not mean that it is not sinful. It is legal to view pornography, but it is still sinful....I can go on all day.

Thanks for the topic though.

[KOIfriend]

Hey, have you heard the song, Smoke Pot, praise God!

I love that song!

We're talking about smoking a plant God says is good! I guess he knew what he was talking about!

[MissScripture]

[quote name='KOIfriend' post='1622164' date='Aug 8 2008, 09:13 PM']Hey, have you heard the song, Smoke Pot, praise God!

I love that song!

We're talking about smoking a plant God says is good! I guess he knew what he was talking about![/quote]
Just because something is good because God created it, doesn't mean that it is good for all uses in all situations. For example, sex is good, but only in the right context.

[KOIfriend]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1622260' date='Aug 9 2008, 12:41 AM']Just because something is good because God created it, doesn't mean that it is good for all uses in all situations. For example, sex is good, but only in the right context.[/quote]

So, you agree with me that smoking pot is good at certain situations, like after a stressful day at work!

[MissScripture]

[quote name='KOIfriend' post='1622262' date='Aug 8 2008, 10:50 PM']So, you agree with me that smoking pot is good at certain situations, like after a stressful day at work![/quote]
Nope. I think that the plant that it comes from is good for other things, such as making suits.