If Marijuana Were Legal Would You Consider It A Sin To Use It ?

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote name='Kitty' post='1607811' date='Jul 24 2008, 07:56 PM']Pot is not physically addicting but it is mentally addicting. Most of my friends smoke pot, and until they get their daily hits that is ALL they talk about. If you mention "bowl", "pipe", "grass", or anything else related to marijuana they perk up. They talk about other times they got high, the next time they want to get high, or they ask if they're allowed to smoke inside. They constantly make drug-related jokes and it gets really obnoxious. To say that pot is not addictive (or "rarely addictive") is simply not true.

I have never smoked it myself (the smell makes me feel naseous). In all honesty, though, I do think it should be legalized and moderation laws put into place, like with alcohol (being drunk in public, ect.)[/quote]

yeah i guess i know a significant amount of people like that. i concede the point. i shoudn't say very rarely.
but defiitely, most peple i know who smoke it, smoke it reasonably.

(also, if booze is physically and mentally addicting, and pot can only be mentally addicting,,, then booze is more addictive, just to make my original point again)

Edited July 25, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[Aloysius]

booze is not physically addicting.

the stuff about the grow-op would be irrelevant in the scenario discussed by this thread, as the question is "if it were legal"... that situation was taking place because it is illegal.

there are many things that concern me about the way most people I have met that have used pot... but I have indeed met people whose pot use I would not really have a problem with.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1607871' date='Jul 24 2008, 08:33 PM']booze is not physically addicting.[/quote]

What?? Have you ever seen an alcoholic de-tox?? I have.

[dairygirl4u2c]

tho what's meant by "addictive"?
tho... thos people who "perk up" and stuff, are mostly what might be said to be addictive. and just acting like a stoner, isn't really eing an addict.
i might know one, or maybe two people, who'd go through withdrawals mentally from not having it. so still maybe not rarely, but it's yeah.

all i know is booze is said to be physicaly addictive. they get it, and then they almost need more, like cigarettes. something about dopamines in the brain needing replenished, or something.
it's almost like physical pain, or something.

Edited July 25, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1607922' date='Jul 24 2008, 09:07 PM']all i know is booze is said to be physicaly addictive. they get it, and then they almost need more, like cigarettes. something about dopamines in the brain needing replenished, or something.[/quote]

It is VERY physically addictive. The addiction is NOT "in the mind". It's physical. It's in the bloodstream. One who is addicted needs it, physically craves it, and will do almost anything to get more.

[CatherineM]

I am stunned that anyone would think that alcohol isn't physically addictive.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1607871' date='Jul 24 2008, 10:33 PM']booze is not physically addicting.[/quote]
You are wrong. Physical Dependence {ADDICTION} is defined by the appearance of withdrawl when the substance is removed. Alcohol can create a physical AND psychological dependancy.

[url="http://www.dryoutnow.com/alcohol-info/Alcohol-Addiction.html"]http://www.dryoutnow.com/alcohol-info/Alcohol-Addiction.html[/url]

[Aloysius]

okay, I suppose I am wrong. I read the "alcohol is physically addictive" to mean that anyone who drinks automatically gets a physical dependence upon it, so that sounded wrong to me... but that it can create a physical dependency, that is true.

[dairygirl4u2c]

yeah al really got a lashing there. his humility yet intelligence is why al is a shining example at phatmass.

this was in reference to pot being addictive, only, btw.
[quote]tho what's meant by "addictive"?
tho... thos people who "perk up" and stuff, are mostly what might be said to be addictive. and just acting like a stoner, isn't really eing an addict.
i might know one, or maybe two people, who'd go through withdrawals mentally from not having it. so still maybe not rarely, but it's yeah.[/quote]

Edited July 25, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[abercius24]

I think the bottom line is the fact that there is a big difference between drinking simply to relax and using drugs to medicate one's self. The first is acceptable within reasonable limits (especially given that alcohol at certain times in history was the only sanitary drink for most populations). The second is unacceptable outside of reasonable medical needs. I also think one of the major indicators as to whether one drinks/uses to relax vs medicate is the internal reason for the behavior. If someone is trying to hide themselves from the realities God has given them to face by numbing themselves with alcohol or drugs, then they are clearly medicating themselves and are in serious danger of being swallowed by the demon behind such behaviors. Ultimately, the question such a person must ask themselves is whether or not they are being honest with themselves and with God, or whether they are justifying their slow and steady path toward self destruction. If damage at any level occurs as a result of such behaviors (either it be with regards to one's relationships or to one's general responsibilities), that is a clear indicator that they are on that self-destruction path.

Edited July 25, 2008 by abercius24

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1607850' date='Jul 24 2008, 08:17 PM']Using a chemical that destroys your lungs, leaves you open to a virus that causes cancer, is connected to increased risk of stroke, increases risk of HepC liver damage, increases your risk of psychosis, effects your unborn children, increases depression, and makes you even more stupid than the day your were born, yeah I qualify it as a sin.[/quote]

The Church doesn't however, in many cases. See my last posts. Does everybody have me on ignore Smoking and drinking and taking any number of prescription drugs can do horrible things to your body too. They aren't sins in and of themselves either.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='abercius24' post='1608092' date='Jul 25 2008, 01:05 AM']I think the bottom line is the fact that there is a big difference between drinking simply to relax and using drugs to medicate one's self. The first is acceptable within reasonable limits (especially given that alcohol at certain times in history was the only sanitary drink for most populations). The second is unacceptable outside of reasonable medical needs.[/quote]

Not necessarily. Just the couple of examples that Fr. Jone gives are quite broad (i.e. calm the nerves, dispel insomnia) so it is permissible to use in moderation to help one relax or to sleep.

[dairygirl4u2c]

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Edited July 25, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]The Church doesn't however, in many cases. See my last posts. Does everybody have me on ignore lol.gif Smoking and drinking and taking any number of prescription drugs can do horrible things to your body too. They aren't sins in and of themselves either.[/quote]

i think most people, even the ones against it, take pot for medicinal purposes, as a given that it's okay. or at least, if there's no other alternatives.
when people talk against it, they're talking about recreational use.

[Deb]

The bottom line with marijuana is that it is just another way to attempt to escape or take a break from you life, same as with alcohol.

Unless you grow your own pot and it is total croutons, you are going to get stoned smoking it and as it may have different effects on a person than alchohol, you are still removing yourself from God when you smoke it. So, if it were legal, smoking it would probably constitute a sin just as getting drunk does.

Before anyone jumps all over me on this, let me state for those of you who don't know me, that I smoked marijuana every day of my life from the age of 17 until October 4th, 2007 at the age of 51. I know what I speak of. If you can come up with a valid reason why you HAVE to smoke dope or why you HAVE to get drunk, let me know. It is so you can loosen up yourself which ultimately loosens up your morals and your beliefs and ultimately turns your face from God.