picchick Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1608809' date='Jul 25 2008, 10:42 PM']If you asked me whether a bunch of idiots would find Obama's prayer insincere, I would agree. Some people are just not going to believe the man is anything but an evil, baby-slaughtering anti-Christ Manchurian Candidate hellbent on America's destruction. Those people will judge anything he says or does as part of his sinister plot to run this country into the ground. Forget those people. They are ignorant and obviously have no intellectual thought process beyond their silly ideologies.[/quote] When you touch a pot on the stove and you burn your hand what do you do? You pull your hand away. Now five days later you go back ans you see a pot on the stove. Are you going to touch it? If you learned from the first time, you are not going to touch the pot. Obama has time and time again shown his true colors. I respect him as a man and as human being. Of course he is not evil. His stances are just so. However, I do not trust a word he says nor do I believe there is anything greater behind his public actions. I do not think that he has the intentions to run the country into the ground. However, his lack of concrete ideas will. I see this. I see his steadfast stance against life. To me that is enough to turn my stomach and mind against anything that anyone says. If Obama cannot respect life at the very beginning then what is it worth to see or hear what he does? If he is able to support the decision to allow a baby to be half born before sucking his/her brains out then I cannot accept what he says or does without questioning the motives behind them. Politicians want support. I do not trust them as far as I can throw them. This is not only for Obama but for McCain and everyone else. I regret your statements, Kujo. I am a very intelligent person who bases her decisions on logic built off of previous facts. I have developed a great deal of critical thinking upon which I work through problems. My dislike for Obama and his actions come from a view of the whole picture rather than one isolated thing. I feel that in politics you cannot take situations and isolate them. There are motives behind public actions. I do not know what he does in his own home and how he prays to God when the door is closed. That is between him and God. However, I will continue to question his motives behind public speeches and public actions just as I do any other politician. God Bless, Meg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1608917' date='Jul 26 2008, 12:53 AM']I'll give you the low-down on this thread: Seems that aly was trying to convey her thoughts about obama's campaign NOT being responsible for the whole gig that went down at the wailin' wall... KofC was posting his thoughts on why there was a big chance that it was all part of his campaign in between words, aly gets very passionate and a little condescending remarks were thrown here and there... KofC rightfully tells her, "hey...why be like that?" and I suppose she got a little offended at being corrected by another poster who made a blunt yet somewhat appropriate observation of her posts... in the meantime, me and Mdm V. were discussing amongst ourselves how Obama has the "magnetism" much like Hitler did back in the day... where as Kujo felt I was comparing Obama to Hitler...which, I don't really mind doing, seeing that Obama is for mass abortion -murder on demand....but, technically, it's a sin to mention this on these boards, so I apologized for offending him... than, aly and KofC continued to exchange ideas, somewhere in all that, she decided to post that she's leaving for good... I hope I was able to explain it well...and I hope this post isn't offensive to anyone, because I sure do wish we can speak to one another without chasing each other away from this place... [/quote] Actually, all of this has nothing to do with why Aly is leaving Phatmass. But thanks for the summary of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='picchick' post='1608953' date='Jul 26 2008, 01:59 AM']When you touch a pot on the stove and you burn your hand what do you do? You pull your hand away. Now five days later you go back ans you see a pot on the stove. Are you going to touch it? If you learned from the first time, you are not going to touch the pot. Obama has time and time again shown his true colors. I respect him as a man and as human being. Of course he is not evil. His stances are just so. However, I do not trust a word he says nor do I believe there is anything greater behind his public actions. I do not think that he has the intentions to run the country into the ground. However, his lack of concrete ideas will. I see this. I see his steadfast stance against life. To me that is enough to turn my stomach and mind against anything that anyone says. If Obama cannot respect life at the very beginning then what is it worth to see or hear what he does? If he is able to support the decision to allow a baby to be half born before sucking his/her brains out then I cannot accept what he says or does without questioning the motives behind them. Politicians want support. I do not trust them as far as I can throw them. This is not only for Obama but for McCain and everyone else. I regret your statements, Kujo. I am a very intelligent person who bases her decisions on logic built off of previous facts. I have developed a great deal of critical thinking upon which I work through problems. My dislike for Obama and his actions come from a view of the whole picture rather than one isolated thing. I feel that in politics you cannot take situations and isolate them. There are motives behind public actions. I do not know what he does in his own home and how he prays to God when the door is closed. That is between him and God. However, I will continue to question his motives behind public speeches and public actions just as I do any other politician. God Bless, Meg[/quote] In case I was unclear, let me point out that I [b]do not support Obama[/b]. That said, I consider myself among those who find his position on abortion and infanticide so deplorable that I cannot rationalize voting for him or supporting him in anyway. I think that one can disagree with him and not support him without being the sort of person I described in the post referenced by Meg. That said, I think there are those on Phatmass (and in our country) who feel that he is 100% wrong on every single thing he says (not entirely true) and seem to think he is the anti-Christ, which he is not. I think using such loaded terms as "nazi," "Hitler," "anti-Christ" are unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='kujo' post='1608963' date='Jul 26 2008, 12:17 AM']Actually, all of this has nothing to do with why Aly is leaving Phatmass. But thanks for the summary of the thread.[/quote] I'm glad you liked it. I hope Aly is okay, though... [quote]That said, I think there are those on Phatmass (and in our country) who feel that he is 100% wrong on every single thing he says (not entirely true) and seem to think he is the anti-Christ, which he is not. I think using such loaded terms as "nazi," "Hitler," "anti-Christ" are unfair.[/quote] I see your point...but really...you can't say he isn't the Anti-Christ, just as much as people can say he is...because how do you know? [quote]If Obama cannot respect life at the very beginning then what is it worth to see or hear what he does? If he is able to support the decision to allow a baby to be half born before sucking his/her brains out then I cannot accept what he says or does without questioning the motives behind them.[/quote] Thanks Meg. This is the whole reasoning behind my thoughts and feelings of obama. But unlike most, I am a one issue type of gal. Because it is THE issue that matters in the whole scheme of things. I have absolutely no need to hear what he has to say, unless he retracts his total support for Abortion-rights. If people want to compare him to the most evil and vilest criminals of our past, I don't see a problem with that. If he is going to support whatever means he can to ensure a woman murders her baby not only inside the womb, but outside the womb...(and this is one of his campaign promises....) well then, he fits the description...doesn't he? If it saddens you, kujo, I don't know what to say? I can see the reasoning behind the comparisons...Abortion is pure evil...surely one who propagates such an unspeakable crime would be compared to evil... Edited July 26, 2008 by dominicansoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) [quote]If you asked me whether a bunch of idiots would find Obama's prayer insincere, I would agree.[/quote] Apparently thinking ill of others and calling them names is all right for the two of you, just as long as no one calls Obama names and thinks ill of him? [quote]And you know what? Forget those people. They are ignorant and obviously have no intellectual thought process beyond their silly ideologies.[/quote] Are you calling them "nazis?" Edited July 26, 2008 by dominicansoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1608877' date='Jul 25 2008, 10:24 PM']That's what I was getting at! You said it better than my long-winded comment! [/quote] No, you did great. I just wanted to reinforce it b/c I know someone eventually is going to accuse us of saying Obama is Hilter and we weren't saying that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) [mod]Personal attacks against someone who is not here to defend herself. --IP[/mod] Edited July 28, 2008 by IcePrincessKRS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1608917' date='Jul 25 2008, 10:53 PM']I'll give you the low-down on this thread:[/quote] That's just this thread. She actually posted a few weeks ago in the Lame Phorum that she was leaving or "taking a break" but that post was deleted. Phatmass does not allow posts stating that you are leaving. I guess it has caused bad feelings in the past or something. I don't know, not my business. Anyway, I'm not trying to trash Alycin behind her back. No, I wouldn't do to her what she did to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='picchick' post='1608953' date='Jul 25 2008, 11:59 PM']When you touch a pot on the stove and you burn your hand what do you do? You pull your hand away. Now five days later you go back ans you see a pot on the stove. Are you going to touch it? If you learned from the first time, you are not going to touch the pot. Obama has time and time again shown his true colors. I respect him as a man and as human being. Of course he is not evil. His stances are just so. However, I do not trust a word he says nor do I believe there is anything greater behind his public actions. I do not think that he has the intentions to run the country into the ground. However, his lack of concrete ideas will. I see this. I see his steadfast stance against life. To me that is enough to turn my stomach and mind against anything that anyone says. If Obama cannot respect life at the very beginning then what is it worth to see or hear what he does? If he is able to support the decision to allow a baby to be half born before sucking his/her brains out then I cannot accept what he says or does without questioning the motives behind them. Politicians want support. I do not trust them as far as I can throw them. This is not only for Obama but for McCain and everyone else. I regret your statements, Kujo. I am a very intelligent person who bases her decisions on logic built off of previous facts. I have developed a great deal of critical thinking upon which I work through problems. My dislike for Obama and his actions come from a view of the whole picture rather than one isolated thing. I feel that in politics you cannot take situations and isolate them. There are motives behind public actions. I do not know what he does in his own home and how he prays to God when the door is closed. That is between him and God. However, I will continue to question his motives behind public speeches and public actions just as I do any other politician. God Bless, Meg[/quote] Awesome post. "I approve this message". When I run for President of the World, I want you on my staff. You can be my speechwriter. I want Mercy Me for my campaign manager and Dominicansoul for my PR person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1609038' date='Jul 26 2008, 04:40 AM']Apparently thinking ill of others and calling them names is all right for the two of you, just as long as no one calls Obama names and thinks ill of him?[/quote] No kidding. Did he call us idiots?? Anyway, this is why I use my ignore feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1609094' date='Jul 26 2008, 11:34 PM']edited text.[/quote] [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1609100' date='Jul 26 2008, 11:40 PM']That's just this thread. She actually posted a few weeks ago in the Lame Phorum that she was leaving or "taking a break" but that post was deleted. Phatmass does not allow posts stating that you are leaving. I guess it has caused bad feelings in the past or something. I don't know, not my business.[/quote] Some message boards run into the problem of having people post threads that just announce the person is leaving for the day, and will be returning tommorow as a joke. It can get rather annoying, and I can see why phatmass doesn't allow for it. They take up valuable space, and aren't even appropiate for lame in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1609106' date='Jul 26 2008, 11:48 PM']No kidding. Did he call us idiots?? Anyway, this is why I use my ignore feature.[/quote] I never understood how it was possible to launch a "personal attack" againist someone when that person isn't even there to read it, and is a public figure anyway. I believe the State also agrees with this as caulmony (sp) laws don't apply to politicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 I'm sorry for calling you all idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1609094' date='Jul 26 2008, 09:34 AM']edited text.[/quote] Wow. I'm so sorry that happened to you! But I hope you've forgiven her, and won't speak of this again.... It HAS been pretty peaceful the last few weeks. If certain people want to leave, I guess that's their prerogative. I wish we could be better to one another.... I guess sometimes leaving is for the best! [quote]I'm sorry for calling you all idiots.[/quote] Thanx, Kujo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) I said it once, and I'll say it again: [i]don't. judge.[/i] True, Alycin wasn't at the top of her game yesterday. But ALL have sinned! We've all had our moments--sometimes often--where we've been less than charitable to one another. You have no idea what might be going on in her life to cause her to react the way she did. Forgive. Pray. Move on. Aly will not be back at Phatmass, period. She's gone, so there's no need to sit around and talk about all of the horrible things she's done. If you're still angry about it, pray for her. I imagine she would appreciate it. God bless. Edited July 26, 2008 by MissyP89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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