kujo Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 After consulting with a friend of my who has been following this thread, I feel the need to clarify my statements in post #95: Aly, I don't know what was up tonight but you really seemed to be upset with me about something we essentially agreed on. If you asked me whether a bunch of idiots would find Obama's prayer insincere, I would agree. Some people are just not going to believe the man is anything but an evil, baby-slaughtering anti-Christ Manchurian Candidate hellbent on America's destruction. Those people will judge anything he says or does as part of his sinister plot to run this country into the ground. And you know what? Forget those people. They are ignorant and obviously have no intellectual thought process beyond their silly ideologies. If you asked me if I am offended by politicians who pander to religious folk by preaching at churches and making grandiose displays of piety, I would say ABSOLUTELY. I think it's that sort of thing that is dumbing down our political process, replacing actual dialogue and debate with photo-ops and sound bytes. But I am not examining this from a moral perspective. I'm looking at it from the perspective of his campaign and what they think would be "best" for him. All I was saying is that Obama would benefit from articulating his spiritual views amongst more intelligent, independent-minded voters like ourselves who know that we shouldn't try to judge or cast doubt on anyone's relationship with God. Everyone is on their own personal walk with God...some of us are jogging along with the Lord, others are oblivious to His presence, others think they are walking with Him when they really aren't. Regardless, we are all trying to do what we think is right. Some of us are incredibly wrong in our views (i.e.- people who support abortion), despite trying to accomplish a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1608802' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:34 PM']But then again, they aren't known for having the best judgment in leaders (ahem).[/quote] It's funny you should mention that, because I was thinking the same thing!!! You know, my passion in school was History. Most especially WWII history. And the more I studied, the more the questions came to me, "Why would these people allow this man (Hitler) to become their leader???" It's easy to believe it more and more today, when I see the frenzied mass of humanity going for a man like Obama... people don't want to know the truth behind the man...they want quick fixes... Back in the 30's Hitler was passionate, charismatic and promised "change" and a quick fix...not only that, he instilled in a very depressed nation a sense of pride for who they were and what they could accomplish... Obama is not so different, in that he is very charismatic, youthful and brings a fresh new image and a new look to the presidency...and not to forget, he promises change...and we see how people react to him....it's as if he's already been given the White House...or better yet, a crown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1608802' date='Jul 25 2008, 11:34 PM']I didn't see it. I really can't stomach any of this. Apparently the Germs are crazy about him. [url="http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3507071,00.html"]http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3507071,00.html[/url] But then again, they aren't known for having the best judgment in leaders (ahem).[/quote] [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1608810' date='Jul 25 2008, 11:43 PM']It's funny you should mention that, because I was thinking the same thing!!! You know, my passion in school was History. Most especially WWII history. And the more I studied, the more the questions came to me, "Why would these people allow this man (Hitler) to become their leader???" It's easy to believe it more and more today, when I see the frenzied mass of humanity going for a man like Obama... people don't want to know the truth behind the man...they want quick fixes... Back in the 30's Hitler was passionate, charismatic and promised "change" and a quick fix...not only that, he instilled in a very depressed nation a sense of pride for who they were and what they could accomplish... Obama is not so different, in that he is very charismatic, youthful and brings a fresh new image and a new look to the presidency...and not to forget, he promises change...and we see how people react to him....it's as if he's already been given the White House...or better yet, a crown![/quote] I was waiting to see how long it would take for people to start comparing Obama to Hitler. :sigh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1608817' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:47 PM']I was waiting to see how long it would take for people to start comparing Obama to Hitler. :sigh:[/quote] Oh I'm sorry if I've offended you Kujo! I couldn't help myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1608817' date='Jul 25 2008, 10:47 PM']I was waiting to see how long it would take for people to start comparing Obama to Hitler. :sigh:[/quote] The thread comparing Bush to Hitler got shut down within hours, with the reason being that is had no semblance of charity at all. Wait and see what happens here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1608821' date='Jul 25 2008, 11:48 PM']Oh I'm sorry if I've offended you Kujo! I couldn't help myself! [/quote] I'm not offended, just sad that such analogies are used in place of unbiased thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 26, 2008 Author Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1608804' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:36 PM']NO they are not. Please do not state things as facts when they are not. If ANYTHING, it's the other way around, because JFO has been around longer. The "about me" on their site states, "Now we are strategic partners with a new not-for-profit called “KAHAL America”..." The use of the word "NOW" suggests that they have NOT always been affiliated with them. KAHAL says they helped "establish" the website by helping them with the newsletter. Please Please PLEASE only state things as FACTS if you know them to actually BE facts. *grumbles* what kind of a website doesn't let individual users delete their own accounts? lol...[/quote] According to [url="http://www.forward.com/articles/13572/"]The Jewish Daily Forward[/url] the same board for KAHAL America is the same board for 'Jews for Obama' "The latest Jews for Obama group, led by Remba, includes a board of directors and an advisory board involving more than two-dozen people from all four major Jewish streams. Remba, who is serving as the group’s president and executive director, is a veteran Israel peace activist who most recently served as the national executive director of the dovish group Ameinu, formerly known as the Labor Zionist Alliance. Advisers to the group include Reform Rabbi Andy Bachman of Brooklyn’s Congregation Beth Elohim, as well as Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf, who came to personally know Obama as the longtime leader of KAM Isaiah Israel, a congregation in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1608803' date='Jul 25 2008, 11:34 PM']Now heres the thing, probably a little dorky. But whatever this is what I'm going do just cause. I'm breaking out my rosary and pray it for all of phatmass but you as well, and kujo too. Cause it what I believe God would like, so... it is good to do the will of God.[/quote] Thanks for the prayers, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted July 26, 2008 Author Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1608830' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:51 PM']According to [url="http://www.forward.com/articles/13572/"]The Jewish Daily Forward[/url] the same board for KAHAL America is the same board for 'Jews for Obama' "The latest Jews for Obama group, led by Remba, includes a board of directors and an advisory board involving more than two-dozen people from all four major Jewish streams. Remba, who is serving as the group’s president and executive director, is a veteran Israel peace activist who most recently served as the national executive director of the dovish group Ameinu, formerly known as the Labor Zionist Alliance. Advisers to the group include Reform Rabbi Andy Bachman of Brooklyn’s Congregation Beth Elohim, as well as Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf, who came to personally know Obama as the longtime leader of KAM Isaiah Israel, a congregation in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood."[/quote] EDIT: Both groups have at least the same president, Gidon D. Remba, and same advisers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1608840' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:55 PM']EDIT: Both groups have at least the same president, Gidon D. Remba, and same advisers...[/quote] Okay, I'll give you this one, given that it doesn't really have anything to do with my original post. Obama is supported by ultra-liberals and prominent democratic activists, what else is new? by the way, I won't be able to respond if you reply, because since I can't delete my own account for reasons that I don't understand, a friend is changing my password for me. God bless! Edited July 26, 2008 by Alycin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1608810' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:43 PM']It's funny you should mention that, because I was thinking the same thing!!! You know, my passion in school was History. Most especially WWII history. And the more I studied, the more the questions came to me, "Why would these people allow this man (Hitler) to become their leader???" It's easy to believe it more and more today, when I see the frenzied mass of humanity going for a man like Obama... people don't want to know the truth behind the man...they want quick fixes... Back in the 30's Hitler was passionate, charismatic and promised "change" and a quick fix...not only that, he instilled in a very depressed nation a sense of pride for who they were and what they could accomplish... Obama is not so different, in that he is very charismatic, youthful and brings a fresh new image and a new look to the presidency...and not to forget, he promises change...and we see how people react to him....it's as if he's already been given the White House...or better yet, a crown![/quote] Yep, this was discussed in another thread, too. I don't think Obama is Hitler, but Hitler is a good example of a modern-day meglo-maniac who talked a smooth talk that got people excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1608854' date='Jul 25 2008, 10:03 PM']Yep, this was discussed in another thread, too. I don't think Obama is Hitler, but Hitler is a good example of a modern-day meglo-maniac who talked a smooth talk that got people excited.[/quote] That's what I was getting at! You said it better than my long-winded comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1608849' date='Jul 25 2008, 09:01 PM']Okay, I'll give you this one, given that it doesn't really have anything to do with my original post. Obama is supported by ultra-liberals and prominent democratic activists, what else is new? by the way, I won't be able to respond if you reply, because since I can't delete my own account for reasons that I don't understand, a friend is changing my password for me. God bless![/quote] +J.M.J.+ why are you leaving phatmass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' post='1608911' date='Jul 25 2008, 10:48 PM']+J.M.J.+ why are you leaving phatmass? [/quote] I'll give you the low-down on this thread: Seems that aly was trying to convey her thoughts about obama's campaign NOT being responsible for the whole gig that went down at the wailin' wall... KofC was posting his thoughts on why there was a big chance that it was all part of his campaign in between words, aly gets very passionate and a little condescending remarks were thrown here and there... KofC rightfully tells her, "hey...why be like that?" and I suppose she got a little offended at being corrected by another poster who made a blunt yet somewhat appropriate observation of her posts... in the meantime, me and Mdm V. were discussing amongst ourselves how Obama has the "magnetism" much like Hitler did back in the day... where as Kujo felt I was comparing Obama to Hitler...which, I don't really mind doing, seeing that Obama is for mass abortion -murder on demand....but, technically, it's a sin to mention this on these boards, so I apologized for offending him... than, aly and KofC continued to exchange ideas, somewhere in all that, she decided to post that she's leaving for good... I hope I was able to explain it well...and I hope this post isn't offensive to anyone, because I sure do wish we can speak to one another without chasing each other away from this place... Edited July 26, 2008 by dominicansoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Alycin' post='1608557' date='Jul 25 2008, 07:01 PM']Is it too much to ask that people educate themselves before stating things af if they were facts? No, the campaign does not control every image possible, nor is it the job of the campaign. If you believe, that, you are sorely misinformed. That's an understatement, but I can't think of a better word at the moment.[/quote] Campaigns control how a candidate appears. It is their job to have their candidate presented in the best possible light at all times. Images and spoken words are a very important part of campaign and a gaff can throw a campaign off message or potentially derail it altogether. A campaign as much as they would like to, cannot control the media but they can control what the media sees. If they wanted the signs down they would have gotten them down. Contrary to your opinion, I am not misinformed. I have been involved in both Dem. and Rep. campaigns for more than 20 years. Edited July 26, 2008 by Mercy me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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