Lisieux Flower Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hmmm... this is an interesting question. Legally, I think we can't deny any capable adult the opportunity to adopt. But our faith tells us that the gay/lesbian couples shouldn't exist in the first place. So personally, I don't think that they should be able to adopt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 It is better for them to remain in foster care. Cardinal Levada acting in his official capacity as head of the CDF has ruled on is. It is never okay for Catholic charities to place children with people living in grave sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='havok579257' post='1601289' date='Jul 16 2008, 05:45 PM']I want to get everyone's opinion on this because most christian's you talk to say that gay/lesbian couples should not be allowed to adopt. Why is this? How is it not better for the kid to have people who love them as opposed to being stuck in a under-funded, under-manned institution such as foster care. The fact is, many children go through their entire lives without a mom or dad to guide them because they are waiting to be adopted but it never happens. So why not let gay/lesbian's adopt kids. Then the kids will have someone who will love them. Just thinking about the children, how can it be better to leave them in foster care or wards of the state when most are horrible places to be instead of letting people who will love them adopt them? Thoughts?[/quote] How many foster parents do you know? Do you have documented proof they are horrible places? You have started with an unproven assertion as a basis for your opinion. And no, people with sexual disorders should not be raising children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Having been a foster parent, I kind of take offense that all foster homes are horrible. I had two kids who were chemical exposure babies. The oldest had serious socialization problems, and the youngest was hyperactive to the max. Their mom was an alcoholic bipolar, the oldest boy's dad was bipolar, bisexual, an into S&M, the youngest boy's dad was just alcoholic. They are almost 23 and 20 now. The oldest made Eagle Scout, and made Petty Officer in the US Navy at 19 and recently finished his enlistment. He manages a large bakery now. He specializes in wedding cakes. The youngest is in college on a baseball scholarship. He's a pitcher. I'm proud of both of them. I'm sure that if they had had their wishes fulfilled, they wouldn't have been raised by a disabled woman who spent most of their childhood in a wheelchair. They would have preferred their mom and dad, but at least I wasn't showing them a bad example of sexuality, and raising them to believe that anything and everything goes in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Children should have two parents--male and female. It's what nature (thus, God) dictates. It's as simple as that. I do not prescribe to the philosophy that two loving parents of the same gender is better than one parent of either gender, or better than two un-loving parents of opposite genders. There is simply no comparison. Whether the parents are loving or not doesn't enter the picture. Children should have a mother and a father, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1601491' date='Jul 17 2008, 02:58 AM']Having been a foster parent, I kind of take offense that all foster homes are horrible. I had two kids who were chemical exposure babies. The oldest had serious socialization problems, and the youngest was hyperactive to the max. Their mom was an alcoholic bipolar, the oldest boy's dad was bipolar, bisexual, an into S&M, the youngest boy's dad was just alcoholic. They are almost 23 and 20 now. The oldest made Eagle Scout, and made Petty Officer in the US Navy at 19 and recently finished his enlistment. He manages a large bakery now. He specializes in wedding cakes. The youngest is in college on a baseball scholarship. He's a pitcher. I'm proud of both of them. I'm sure that if they had had their wishes fulfilled, they wouldn't have been raised by a disabled woman who spent most of their childhood in a wheelchair. They would have preferred their mom and dad, but at least I wasn't showing them a bad example of sexuality, and raising them to believe that anything and everything goes in life.[/quote] I'm with you here. I had 2 foster brothers that my parents took in for nearly 4 years, who had been physically & sexually abused, and the younger had a vision problem (incorrectly diagnosed as ADHD). They are now 20 & 13 (they were adopted by another family 8 years ago). The 20-yr-old is now in college to be an accountant, and the 13-yr-old is doing well in school. The foster care system has problems - that's a given - but it isn't all horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 "I do not prescribe to the philosophy" I should have said "subscribe", shouldn't I have? Man, I was tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1601744' date='Jul 17 2008, 10:34 AM']"I do not prescribe to the philosophy" I should have said "subscribe", shouldn't I have? Man, I was tired. [/quote] Oh sure, blame it on being tired. j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1601756' date='Jul 17 2008, 06:38 AM']Oh sure, blame it on being tired. j/k [/quote] Actually, I had been drinking too, but I wasn't going to say anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirisutodo333 Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='havok579257' post='1601335' date='Jul 16 2008, 06:42 PM']Please re-read my post. I said we allow people to have kids when they have those problems. Anyone can have a kid through sex, there is no law on that. So why all the jump through for adoption. My question is should we allow them to adopt or should we just say, sorry kids, your lifes going to smell of elderberries in foster care without any parents, although just deal with it. This gay couple wants to adopt your and would love you but we say no and we think its better of you stay in foster care until you age out of it and then your on your own.[/quote] So then we should knowingly put them in danger of "forfeiting" their "eternal life" with God (meaning being raised in a homosexual environment might prone them to accept homosexuality) just so they can have an "elderberry free" environment while they are on Earth? So then we should knowingly put them with parents that are living a gravely sinful life just because they might "love" them? So "two moms" or "two dads" are just as good as "a mom and dad?" That's like saying it's just as good having "two left hands" or "two right hands" than it is having a "right and a left hand." I think the biggest problem with the whole "gay adoption" thing for Christians is that to allow it would automatically lead us to condone the "gay/lesbian" union. Allowing gay adoption is condoning the homosexual lifestyle and that's a big no no. Sorry. Though a lot of kids will have it rough in some foster homes or abusive homes, if they stay in communion with God, their rewards will be immense in heaven. The least will be the most and the last will be the first. Peace Kiris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1601759' date='Jul 17 2008, 12:50 PM']Actually, I had been drinking too, but I wasn't going to say anything... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='Kirisutodo333' post='1601789' date='Jul 17 2008, 11:03 AM']So then we should knowingly put them in danger of "forfeiting" their "eternal life" with God (meaning being raised in a homosexual environment might prone them to accept homosexuality) just so they can have an "elderberry free" environment while they are on Earth? So then we should knowingly put them with parents that are living a gravely sinful life just because they might "love" them? So "two moms" or "two dads" are just as good as "a mom and dad?" That's like saying it's just as good having "two left hands" or "two right hands" than it is having a "right and a left hand." I think the biggest problem with the whole "gay adoption" thing for Christians is that to allow it would automatically lead us to condone the "gay/lesbian" union. Allowing gay adoption is condoning the homosexual lifestyle and that's a big no no. Sorry. Though a lot of kids will have it rough in some foster homes or abusive homes, if they stay in communion with God, their rewards will be immense in heaven. The least will be the most and the last will be the first. Peace Kiris[/quote] Yeah at least the foster parents are SCREENed before they are allowed kids, unlike some of the other idiots out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pan!c139 Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 Mmmmm....yeeeaaahhhhh.... Bad message for kids - they need a mother (note the feminine noun) and a father (note the masculine noun). Any questions??? As I always say, God created Adam and EVE not Adam and STEVE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1601476' date='Jul 16 2008, 07:40 PM']And no, people with sexual disorders should not be raising children.[/quote] You may want to clarify that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 [quote name='fidei defensor' post='1602024' date='Jul 17 2008, 03:56 PM']You may want to clarify that.[/quote] Why can you think of anybody with a sexual disorder who should be raising children? Other than someone who has some kid of physical problem which is not really part of the topic. Ok people who suffer from the objective disorder of homosexuality should not be raising children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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