Paladin D Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 I'm using a NAB bible, and it's footnotes state this already happened (turn to your NAB bible, and see the footnotes). However, can this also apply to the Second Coming? Or is like most of Revelation already happened? Or can it have a double meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Revelation has multiple meanings, as do many OT prophesies. some has already happened, some are going to happen, and some show how the life of the Church has played out during it's 2000 years of existence. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 2, 2004 Author Share Posted March 2, 2004 Revelation has multiple meanings, as do many OT prophesies. some has already happened, some are going to happen, and some show how the life of the Church has played out during it's 2000 years of existence. I know that the book of revelation has different meanings, but how do we know which specific passages have more than 1 meaning? Like the one I posted on the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 I'm using a NAB bible, and it's footnotes state this already happened (turn to your NAB bible, and see the footnotes). However, can this also apply to the Second Coming? Or is like most of Revelation already happened? Or can it have a double meaning? Apocalyptic and/or prophetic writings can have many layers of meaning and multiple forms of fulfillment. Not just one, not just two even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 I know that the book of revelation has different meanings, but how do we know which specific passages have more than 1 meaning? Like the one I posted on the title. Sorry, when I started writing my last post nobody had replied yet.. Anyway, going in line with my first post I would say the first main way for knowing if a passage has multiple meaning is the genre. If it is explicitly a prophecy of some kind it is possible that it will have a richness of meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 paladin, i don't mean to be anal or anything, but in my opinion, questions like this are better suited for the apologetics section............especially since this is something u probably don't plan to get into "interfaith dialogue" about. i'm returning to my cave now...... pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 2, 2004 Author Share Posted March 2, 2004 Ack! Can someone move this to the appropiate forum please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Moved as requested. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 paladin are you sure its chapter 20? my chapter 20 only has 15 verses. here is what i'm lookin at. point me in the right direction, bro. pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I have always heard that the book or revelation is the book of yesterday, tomorrow, and the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 paladin are you sure its chapter 20? my chapter 20 only has 15 verses. here is what i'm lookin at. point me in the right direction, bro. pax christi, phatcatholic Sorry, it's chapter 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Some of Revelation happened during the first hundred years, some after, some still yet to come. This is what has been taught for about 1900 years. Commentary on the Apocalypse of the Blessed John by St. Victorinus: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0712.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0712.htm[/url] There is much more but I don't have the time to hunt for it. Look it up in the encyclopedia at [url="http://www.NewAdvent.org"]http://www.NewAdvent.org[/url] (Look under Apocolypse and revelation) God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 this is a long time coming, but here is what the Navarre Commentary says regarding this narrative:[list] [*][b]19:11--20:15.[/b] The prophetic narrative (given in the form of a proclamation) of the fall of Babylon (Rome) is now followed by a depiction of Christ as endowed with power (vv. 11-16) permanently and decisively to conquer the forces of evil which sustained the great city. Their defeat is narrated in reverse order to that given earlier in the book: the first to be conquered are the kings of the earth (who first allied themselves with the great city and then rebelled against it: vv. 17-18) and the beast and the false prophet to whom the kings gave over their royal power (vv. 20-21; cf. 17:16-17). Then, in a second eschatological battle, Christ defeats the ancient serpent, Satan, the one who originally gave power to the beast (cf. 20:1-10; 13:2). Not until this happens will the general judgment take place (20:11-15). The Apocalypse in this way points to the origin of evil and its later manifestations. The most immediate manifestation of evil, and the first to be destroyed, is the world of opulence, unbridled sexuality and power, and idolatry--that society which persecuted and martyred the Christians. Pagan Rome, the symbol of that world, draws its strength from absolutist divinized forces intolerant of human freedom and dignity (and especially hostile to religion), and from atheistic and materialistic ideologies which make for absolutism. These forces are the beast and the false prophet. However, at a deeper and more mysterious level lies the ultimate source of these sociological phenomena--Satan (symbolized by the dragon or ancient serpent). The message of Revelation is that Christ towers above all these forces, and his victory (which began with his death and resurrection) will reach its climax at the end of time, although it will be manifested to a degree over the course of history by the holiness of the Church. [/list] pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted August 19, 2004 Author Share Posted August 19, 2004 Thanks [b]phatcatholic[/b]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Aug 19 2004, 05:46 PM'] Thanks [b]phatcatholic[/b]. [/quote] np you should hang out in here more often bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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