Home Schoolers Threaten Our Cultural Comfort

[Autumn Dusk]

[quote name='picchick' post='1599278' date='Jul 13 2008, 05:38 PM']I think the way tha DominicanSoul was saying was fending for yourself. Children need guidance. They need guidance as an infant, toddler, child, and teen.

I think that children need to be brought up in something so that they have something and nothing growing up. Sure there is the chance that they will fall away from the Church. That does not make the child bad nor does it make the parent bad. Sure, it makes thing rough but nothing about it is bad. After communion they still need to have that guidance in the faith. They need guidance outside of spirituality so why not in the spiritual life too? Of course the child can be more participitory in their faith at this point but it really isn't until they are confirmed that they become "adults" in the Catholic Church. Even at this point I believe there needs to be guidance.

Guidace is not beating it into them, force feeding etc. It is just what it is. Guidance. Teaching. Explaining. Telling the why of what we believe rather than the "This is what it is...too bad so sad."

Meg[/quote]


But a parent has the right to choose how much "guidance" they give and to not sway children with their beliefs if they find that to be the best parenting style. Acting as if a parent is a bad (or unintelligent) parent becuase they believe that they should let their child explore religion is simply rude. I think you and I have almost the same viewpoint, just different ways of explaining it. A child needs to be open and aware of other things so they can adequatly have the free will to decide what they believe. If a parent does this in the Catholic faith its tremendous, but a parent who does things with agnosticism shouldn't be looked down upon or scoffed at.

[missionseeker]

[url="http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm"]http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm[/url]

[The Bus Station]

[quote name='missionseeker' post='1868885' date='May 16 2009, 04:29 PM'][url="http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm"]http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm[/url][/quote]

Word.

[Hassan]

I don't think people view homescoolers as counter cultural threats. In my experience, and this cannot be applied generally I want to be clear I'm not trying to say this is true for all homeschoolers at all, many are socially akward/inexperienced and the parents often come off as over protective. Not just that they wish to block the more base aspects of modern culture but that they seems to control every aspect of their children's lives.

I just feel like that is why many people are wary of homeschooling for that reason. Again, I don't mean to claim that applies to all homeschoolers.

[Hassan]

[quote name='missionseeker' post='1868885' date='May 16 2009, 04:29 PM'][url="http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm"]http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm[/url][/quote]

silly

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1869133' date='May 16 2009, 11:27 PM']I don't think people view homescoolers as counter cultural threats. In my experience, and this cannot be applied generally I want to be clear I'm not trying to say this is true for all homeschoolers at all, many are socially akward/inexperienced and the parents often come off as over protective. Not just that they wish to block the more base aspects of modern culture but that they seems to control every aspect of their children's lives.

I just feel like that is why many people are wary of homeschooling for that reason. Again, I don't mean to claim that applies to all homeschoolers.[/quote]

That applies to few home schooled kids. I could go to a public school and find kids who don't get along with others. This is a false fear.

It has been my experience just the opposite.

I have seen many home schooled kids more willing to talk to people of all ages, and interect appropriately with others with respect to age, whereas the school kids get along with solely their age group in an immature fashion and have difficulty in relating to other age groups.

The fear of home schooled kids being "unsocialized" is a load of garbage and is a fear tactic used against the home schooling movement.

If home schooled kids were so unsocialized, why are colleges so happy to take them?

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[jeffpugh]

[quote name='missionseeker' post='1868885' date='May 16 2009, 04:29 PM'][url="http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm"]http://home-educate.com/unschooling/socialization.htm[/url][/quote]
I like that. They turned the whole "how will your kids be socialised" conversation on its head.

[Hassan]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1869142' date='May 16 2009, 10:38 PM']That applies to few home schooled kids. I could go to a public school and find kids who don't get along with others. This is a false fear.[/quote]

Sure. It is not a question of instantiation but proportion. In the case of home schooled kids, in my experience, it is more the norm.

[quote]It has been my experience just the opposite.[/quote]

And that's fine. I'm not claiming my experience is scientific or even particularly informed.

[quote]I have seen many home schooled kids more willing to talk to people of all ages, and interect appropriately with others with respect to age, whereas the school kids get along with solely their age group in an immature fashion and have difficulty in relating to other age groups.[/quote]

I guess the "immature" fashion is what some would call being a normal kid. Immature behavior is in fact just what you ought to expect from an age group which, by definition, ought not behave in a mature fashion normally.

I guess what I'm saying is that sophomoric is normal behavior to be expected from normal sophomores. Behaving like an adult as a sophomore is abnormal. Not that that is good or bad, it simply falls anout side the normal mean.

[quote]The fear of home schooled kids being "unsocialized" is a load of garbage and is a fear tactic used against the home schooling movement.[/quote]

That's just asinine. I gave you a personal observation, you can make of it what you will but let's not venture into conspiratorial none sense

[quote]If home schooled kids were so unsocialized, why are colleges so happy to take them?[/quote]

I can be improperly socialized at times, not in the same way as many homeschoolers but indifferent ways. In any number of ways. Colleges were happy to accecpt me because I do very well in school. Colleges don't accecpt you based on your ability to makes healthy friendships, know how to hit on a girl et cetera, they take you on your ability to make their school look good.

[princessgianna]

HA! If homeschooling didn't work then why is the government so afraid of us!

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='princessgianna' post='1869157' date='May 17 2009, 12:22 AM']HA! If homeschooling didn't work then why is the government so afraid of us! [/quote]
Keen observation.

[MithLuin]

About socialization...

It turns out that the ability to interact with one's peers is how a person develops social skills - the ability to interact with adults is mostly irrelevant. Why? The adults know how to guide the social interaction, so the kid doesn't learn as much. It's like the difference between dancing when someone else is leading...and leading the dance yourself. I'm not saying there's no value to spending time with adults - there is.

That is why parents are concerned that their children spend time with other children - and most home school families I know are very involved with scouts or sports or homeschool groups specifically so that their children have the opportunity [i]to[/i] develop friendships with their peers. Isolating your kids will have a detrimental effect on their ability to interact with others - duh. Homeschooling needn't be isolating, of course, but in some cases, it can be.

[homeschoolmom]

[picchick]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1869133' date='May 16 2009, 11:27 PM']I don't think people view homescoolers as counter cultural threats. In my experience, and this cannot be applied generally I want to be clear I'm not trying to say this is true for all homeschoolers at all, many are socially akward/inexperienced and the parents often come off as over protective. Not just that they wish to block the more base aspects of modern culture but that they seems to control every aspect of their children's lives.

I just feel like that is why many people are wary of homeschooling for that reason. Again, I don't mean to claim that applies to all homeschoolers.[/quote]


Even though this is your experience I will assure you it is the exception rather than the norm.

Alright, I would like to say more but I am about to take a swim.

[Hassan]

[quote name='picchick' post='1869720' date='May 17 2009, 08:32 PM']Even though this is your experience I will assure you it is the exception rather than the norm.

Alright, I would like to say more but I am about to take a swim.[/quote]


Well I do understand that my oppinion is highly biased and not generalizable but I did not so much describe my personal view as what I had seen as the general reason that people in my life (and through media depiction) viewd homescooled children as different.

I think rationally we can assume that homescooled children would be significantly different that school children in terms of their behavior. They are raised in a significantly different enviorment and have an importantly different means of socialization that school children. If that has positive or negative results and if those results conform to the stearotype is a question which could be adressed scientifically but I don't have the data so I won't way.