Franciscan University Households

[Apotheoun]

Trinity East dorm was different, because it was a co-ed dorm (i.e., there were two floors for women, and one floor for men). There were rules about interactions between the sexes, but nothing too overbearing.

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1596339' date='Jul 9 2008, 03:48 PM']Trinity East dorm was different, because it was a co-ed dorm (i.e., there were two floors for women, and one floor for men). There were rules about interactions between the sexes, but nothing too overbearing.[/quote]

TE was the grad/trad dorm right? I haven't been there since 02. I know they added more dorms, where they put them on that tiny hill, I don't know. We stayed in the projects my senior year. That was a great deal.

[Apotheoun]

I lived at Trinity East from August 2003 to December 2005, but I think that it is closed now.

[Guest KevinSymonds]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1596521' date='Jul 9 2008, 08:37 PM']I lived at Trinity East from August 2003 to December 2005, but I think that it is closed now.[/quote]

Apotheoun,
-Tell me, did you and Dr. Stephen Hildebrand ever get go at each other playfully in class over the Divine Essence not being able to be known?


To everyone else,
-I have many fond memories of my time in Household as well as pains. Thankfully, with each passing day those bad memories fade but they still darken the doorstep of my memory. I have read the responses above and have to say with all due respect that arguing/fighting over a seat at Mass was the absolute [i]least[/i] of the Household program's worries during my 6.5 year tenure at Franciscan.

-My time in Household was marred by the changes happening at the University after Fr. Terry took over the reigns as President. A serious part of the problem was the change in campus culture. More and more students were coming to the campus highly influenced by the culture of death. The University did not do enough to stem the flow and the Households suffered as a result. While I was never able to research fully how [i]each[/i] Household was affected, I know the general trends and how it affected my Household.

-Meanwhile, I know for a fact--and I have this documented--that the 'charismatics' claimed private revelations from the FOP's during the 2003/2004 academic year. They claimed Jesus said numerous times, "Behold, I am doing something new!" One particular charismatic, high in the ranks (though no longer at the University now), interpreted these alleged revelations as applying to the changes happening on the campus in 2004. Then there was the onslaught of the coming NCAA/D-III program at the University. How they got that program was an utter travesty.

There is so much that could be said and to be honest, I just wish I could forget it all. There's a much greater life than what is on the confines of the University's borders. I only hope the students see it.

-Kevin J. Symonds '03, '06

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='KevinSymonds' post='1598495' date='Jul 12 2008, 04:11 AM']Apotheoun,
-Tell me, did you and Dr. Stephen Hildebrand ever get go at each other playfully in class over the Divine Essence not being able to be known?[/quote]
Yes, we did indeed spar on that issue quite often, both in class and privately. He used to tease me when I would speak of the divine essence and the divine energies being "indivisibly divided" (a phrase used by both St. Maximos the Confessor and St. Gregory Palamas in speaking about this theological distinction). He really could not get his mind around this idea. But then one day, during Dr. Hildebrand's Cappadocian Fathers class, I used an analogy that finally struck a cord with him: during class I said that, "just as Christ is present as a whole in all the many hosts consecrated at Mass, and in each particle of a broken host, so too the divine essence is present as a whole in each of the many uncreated energies."

Dr. Hildebrand was kind enough to be my advisor for my independent study on the theology of St. Gregory Palamas. He is -- in my opinion -- the best professor of theology at FUS.

[Guest KevinSymonds]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1598542' date='Jul 12 2008, 10:33 AM']Yes, we did indeed spar on that issue quite often, both in class and privately. He used to tease me when I would speak of the divine essence and the divine energies being "indivisibly divided" (a phrase used by both St. Maximos the Confessor and St. Gregory Palamas in speaking about this theological distinction). He really could not get his mind around this idea. But then one day, during Dr. Hildebrand's Cappadocian Fathers class, I used an analogy that finally struck a cord with him: during class I said that, "just as Christ is present as a whole in all the many hosts consecrated at Mass, and in each particle of a broken host, so too the divine essence is present as a whole in each of the many uncreated energies."

Dr. Hildebrand was kind enough to be my advisor for my independent study on the theology of St. Gregory Palamas. He is -- in my opinion -- the best professor of theology at FUS.[/quote]


Ah yes, I know who you are now, though I do not know if I should name you on the Forum. Do you remember me? I am friends with Rosemary and Erin.

Peace!
-Kevin

[Apotheoun]

My name is posted on the forum somewhere, so it's no big deal.

And in answer to your question: yes, I remember you. I think we both took Dr. Hahn's "Theological Foundations" class the same semester.

[melporcristo]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1596084' date='Jul 9 2008, 09:26 AM']Like I said, most HH don't mean to be exclusive, but by the nature of so many commitments many are. Between coursework and commitments there is little time to make other friends, and perform works of mercy. When it comes to works of mercy ministries, student participation is dismal (at least when I was there). The school I attended before transferring to FUS, St. Bonaventure Univ, has a student volunteer rate of 80%. Although their Catholicism is far from orthodox, there is something to be said for that. I think FUS needs to create more of a balance between prayer and social action. Many students are so focused on their own spiritual lives, intellectual theology, and creating a Catholic bubble that they forget about the outside world that needs them so desperately. Maybe it is just me, but I found HH life stifiling. I am the kind of person who just likes to be freinds with people, and that was kinda hard because if you tried to befriend someone who was is a different HH, you felt as if there was a wall between you guys. "Yeah, I would really like to eat dinner with so and so, but my HH is expecting me to eat dinner with them, what do I do?" And if you wanted date someone, you had to date their HH too. No boundaries, no privacy.[/quote]
JMJ

How long ago did you graduate from FUS?

Seriously, because I transfered from a Jesuit Univ. in Seattle where everyone was awesome at social action as well BUT there is about 70-80% of FUS' students active in some works of mercy. I know this because I was a co-leader for the Franciscan Missions of Peace and our advisor, Fr. Stan Holland, expressed with us many times how at conferences with other universities, the schools were shocked to find out how many of our students were active in extracurricular activities.

Also, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with households. As a member of a household myself, I apoligize for the overall negative message you got when you were in a household.

God bless,
Mel

[melporcristo]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1596309' date='Jul 9 2008, 01:23 PM']I never saw any "segregation" at FUS. Now, as I said, I did not belong to a Household, and I was older than most of the other students I associated with, but I was always made to feel welcome.

When I completed my MA in Theology a group of students from the Trinity East dorm commissioned an icon for me of St. Gregory Palamas (my patron saint) as a gift. I made many great friends at FUS, and several of them call me on a fairly regular basis to [i]shoot[/i] the theological breeze.[/quote]

JMJ

Yea if I had your number I would call you to shoot the Stations of the Earth breeze.
he he he.

[Guest KevinSymonds]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1599650' date='Jul 13 2008, 11:05 PM']My name is posted on the forum somewhere, so it's no big deal.

And in answer to your question: yes, I remember you. I think we both took Dr. Hahn's "Theological Foundations" class the same semester.[/quote]

Ok, yes, Todd, I do remember you. We had Theo. Fnds. with Dr. Hahn and I think the Augustine class with Dr. Hildebrand and even the Historical Fnds. with him as well if memory serves.

I enjoy hearing about classmates from FUS and I am glad to have run into you. I remember that I would start to roll my eyes whenever the Eastern/Western debate(s) would come up in class but now I look back on them with fond memories.

What have you been up to? I run the blog "Desiderium" and talk about Catholic affairs on it, with an emphasis on private revelation.

-Kevin
[url="http://d-rium.blogspot.com"]http://d-rium.blogspot.com[/url]

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='KevinSymonds' post='1600082' date='Jul 14 2008, 05:44 PM']Ok, yes, Todd, I do remember you. We had Theo. Fnds. with Dr. Hahn and I think the Augustine class with Dr. Hildebrand and even the Historical Fnds. with him as well if memory serves.[/quote]
Yes, now that I think about it, we did take those other classes together as well. In my opinion Dr. Hildebrand's classes were always great fun, and he was my favorite teacher at FUS. One of the things that I liked about him was that he tried to get his students to think, and not simply regurgitate what he said in his lectures.

[quote name='KevinSymonds' post='1600082' date='Jul 14 2008, 05:44 PM']I enjoy hearing about classmates from FUS and I am glad to have run into you. I remember that I would start to roll my eyes whenever the Eastern/Western debate(s) would come up in class but now I look back on them with fond memories.[/quote]
I too have fond memories of my time at FUS, and I really do miss taking classes there. As far as the East / West debates are concerned, I was rather infamous in the theology department during my time there, and was even told not to talk by four students in Dr. Hildebrand's Christology class, because I was supposedly making the class harder by bringing up texts that were not a part of the assigned reading list.

[quote name='KevinSymonds' post='1600082' date='Jul 14 2008, 05:44 PM']What have you been up to? I run the blog "Desiderium" and talk about Catholic affairs on it, with an emphasis on private revelation.

-Kevin
[url="http://d-rium.blogspot.com"]http://d-rium.blogspot.com[/url][/quote]
I started teaching (theology, philosophy, and history) at a small Catholic high school when I got back to California in January 2006, and even worked as the vice principal of the school last year. Sadly, due to the neuromuscular damage I suffered when I contracted viral encephalitis in March 2007, I will only be able to teach part-time this coming school year.

Of course I originally came back to California in order to take care of my mother, who is disabled with emphysema, but since my illness she really tends to take care of me as much as I take care of her. As she says, "together we make up one whole person." Finally, as I said in an earlier post, several of the students from Trinity East (Quanah, and his wife Erin, John, Rosemary, Chelsea, and a few others) call me on a fairly regular basis in order to talk about old times and -- of course -- "shoot the breeze" on theology. I was blessed at the end of June, in spite of my physical disabilities, to be able to attend Chelsea and Tiffany's crowning in Arizona, and I had a great time, and I met some really wonderful people while I was there. It was a great experience overall, and I even got to visit [url="http://www.stanthonysmonastery.org/index.php"][u]St. Anthony's Greek Orthodox Monastery[/u][/url] with Chelsea, Tiffany, Kurt, Betty, and Fr. Valerian, which was a real treat. God has been good to me.

God bless,
Todd

Edited July 15, 2008 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='KevinSymonds' post='1600082' date='Jul 14 2008, 05:44 PM']I run the blog "Desiderium" and talk about Catholic affairs on it, with an emphasis on private revelation.

-Kevin
[url="http://d-rium.blogspot.com"]http://d-rium.blogspot.com[/url][/quote]
That's an interesting topic for a blog.

I read the article that you wrote about Dr. Miravalle's involvement with the "Anne the Lay Apostle" that is posted on Unity Publishing's website. It was a good read.

God bless,
Todd

[friendofJPII]

[i][i]-My time in Household was marred by the changes happening at the University after Fr. Terry took over the reigns as President. A serious part of the problem was the change in campus culture. More and more students were coming to the campus highly influenced by the culture of death. The University did not do enough to stem the flow and the Households suffered as a result. While I was never able to research fully how [i]each[/i] Household was affected, I know the general trends and how it affected my Household. [/i][/i]


Can you expound on this?

Edited July 15, 2008 by friendofJPII

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='melporcristo' post='1599900' date='Jul 14 2008, 11:41 AM']JMJ

How long ago did you graduate from FUS?

Seriously, because I transfered from a Jesuit Univ. in Seattle where everyone was awesome at social action as well BUT there is about 70-80% of FUS' students active in some works of mercy. I know this because I was a co-leader for the Franciscan Missions of Peace and our advisor, Fr. Stan Holland, expressed with us many times how at conferences with other universities, the schools were shocked to find out how many of our students were active in extracurricular activities.

Also, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with households. As a member of a household myself, I apoligize for the overall negative message you got when you were in a household.

God bless,
Mel[/quote]

I graduated in 2000.