Eucharist Is Stolen

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1596772' date='Jul 10 2008, 01:43 AM']I would guess the priest has to consume it.
Would be kinda gross under normal circumstances, but since it's Jesus, I'm sure it's all right. [/quote]
That's probably the least gross situation. Believe me.

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1596791' date='Jul 10 2008, 02:20 AM']got a little angry in the temple that one time. He'd knock some teeth if it came down to it.[/quote]
weeerd

[quote name='johnnydigit' post='1596807' date='Jul 10 2008, 03:26 AM']afaik you can dissolve it under water, and it ceases to be the Eucharist.

personally i don't think it's necessary to consume it when we are more knowledgeable about diseases, bacteria, and other harmful microbes in today's age.[/quote]
Yes, then the water is placed in the ground where no one treads. I know of this because a seminarian told me once that he was working at a parish, the eucharist was desecrated (tabernacle was opened and hosts scattered and broken) so they had to burry the hosts and pour water on them, and prayed some sort of prayer as they did it...

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1596810' date='Jul 10 2008, 03:52 AM']I think that's being a little bit germaphobic. In the 1962 Missal there is a document printed called "De Defectibus Occurantibus in Celebratione Missae" that is "On Defects Occuring in the Celebration of the Mass. It lines out everything a priest is to do if something goes wrong. When the Blessed Sacrament falls on the floor, the priest is to consume the Sacrament and perform the ablution where it fell. Pretty simple and still in force (cf. Summorum Pontificum Art. 1) for priests celebrating the Extraordinary Form. I'm sure the rules in the Ordinary Form are similar.[/quote]
Yeah, that happens in the ordinary form to the best of my knowledge

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1600811' date='Jul 15 2008, 11:13 PM']You can't just dissolve the Eucharist in water, and have it go away. Sacristies have special sinks that all sacred vessels and purificators are cleaned in. Those sinks aren't connected to regular sewer systems. They go to a special kind of drainage field on the church grounds. If the church doesn't have one, things are cleaned in a stainless container, and the water is allowed to soak into the ground thereby being "buried." When a chalice is spilled, it has to be cleaned by soaking up with purificators, and then washing repeatedly with water, again soaking up with purificators until nothing is left.[/quote]
What she said

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1600857' date='Jul 16 2008, 12:18 AM']I'm literally... like 99.999% sure that there are exemptions about Eucharistic wine and minors. Like I would be absolutely shocked if that's 'technically' illegal.
Forced consumption is a load of refuse. He's the one that chose to go to Mass, and the expectation at Mass is that if you take the Eucharist, you consume immediately.[/quote]

There shouldn't be a problem with that. I was told it's different for religious celebrations... it's not like the minors are regularly getting inebriated from the experience.

[Farsight one]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1600857' date='Jul 16 2008, 12:18 AM']I'm literally... like 99.999% sure that there are exemptions about Eucharistic wine and minors. Like I would be absolutely shocked if that's 'technically' illegal.
Forced consumption is a load of refuse. He's the one that chose to go to Mass, and the expectation at Mass is that if you take the Eucharist, you consume immediately.[/quote]
There is. Back when prohibition was in full force, there was still an exemption made for Catholic mass. There was also a small spike in Catholic converts back then too. I wonder why...

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1600910' date='Jul 16 2008, 12:33 AM']There is. Back when prohibition was in full force, there was still an exemption made for Catholic mass. There was also a small spike in Catholic converts back then too. I wonder why... [/quote]
Haha, good point.
Yea, if they can even bring the wine into my school... which is about 95% minors, I think there's an exeption there!

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Farsight one' post='1600910' date='Jul 15 2008, 11:33 PM']There is. Back when prohibition was in full force, there was still an exemption made for Catholic mass. There was also a small spike in Catholic converts back then too. I wonder why... [/quote]

You know, it was illicit (except perhaps in a few rare cases) in the Latin Church for the laity to recieve Holy Communion under the species of wine during prohibition.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1601517' date='Jul 16 2008, 09:42 PM']You know, it was illicit (except perhaps in a few rare cases) in the Latin Church for the laity to recieve Holy Communion under the species of wine during prohibition.[/quote]
I don't believe it. I remember hearing both on various television programs and in my AP US History class that the US allowed alcohol in religious services, which almost explicitly refers to us. If the government did that almost uniquely for us, why would it be illicit?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1601526' date='Jul 16 2008, 09:02 PM']I don't believe it. I remember hearing both on various television programs and in my AP US History class that the US allowed alcohol in religious services, which almost explicitly refers to us. If the government did that almost uniquely for us, why would it be illicit?[/quote]

Believe it or not, in the Roman Rite during the first half of the twentieth century, the laith received Holy Communion only under the species of bread. The priest celebrating Mass, however, did receive Holy Communion under both species

Edited July 17, 2008 by StThomasMore

[MissyP89]

For those interested, here is a well-done blog post on the matter. Warning, some language involved, but nothing compared to what Prof. Myers used.

Also, let me just say that it's terrible journalism to say that Catholics believe the Eucharist to be symbolic of the body and Blood of Christ. Um, last time I checked, we weren't Protestants. Check your facts, lazy reporter!

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[Resurrexi]

[quote name='MissyP89' post='1601637' date='Jul 16 2008, 10:23 PM']Also, let me just say that it's terrible journalism to say that Catholics believe the Eucharist to be symbolic of the body and Blood of Christ. Um, last time I checked, we weren't Protestants. Check your facts, lazy reporter!
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lol quite true

[CatholicCid]

Out of curiousity, exactly how did it become known that Mr. Cook was "holding Jesus hostage"?


Off topic, but interesting.
The "minor consumption" and prohibition talk reminded me of a story a while back, where a prison was going to go to 0 tolerance on alcohol, and wouldn't even exempt a Catholic Priest from bring in wine for Mass. Anyone know how that was resolved? Last article I remember reading on it, the prison wasn't exactly understanding that the wine is a necessity for Mass.

Edited July 17, 2008 by CatholicCid

[Archaeology cat]

OK, this is ridiculous. I don't see how they could accept the hazing charges, since not everyone is required to go up and receive the Eucharist. But it is expected that if you present yourself for the Eucharist, you will consume it. And weren't they actually trying to get it away from him - that isn't forced consumption!

On to alcohol. As far as I know, FL has no minimum drinking age, just a minimum buying age. [url="http://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/index.asp?Type=BAS_APIS&SEC={0D5C719E-FCE8-4E15-A367-4145C655505F}&DE={E6F19624-0ADC-437F-917D-5E7CBC9F58B9}"]See this link for more details[/url].

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1601620' date='Jul 16 2008, 11:05 PM']Believe it or not, in the Roman Rite during the first half of the twentieth century, the laith received Holy Communion only under the species of bread. The priest celebrating Mass, however, did receive Holy Communion under both species[/quote]
Could I see some sort of proof of this?

[Mercy me]

What a laugh, hazing? No one is forced to receive during communion and in fact we tell people that if you are not in full communion with the Church you are not permitted to receive.

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='Mercy me' post='1602626' date='Jul 18 2008, 09:30 AM']What a laugh, hazing? No one is forced to receive during communion and in fact we tell people that if you are not in full communion with the Church you are not permitted to receive.[/quote]

Yeah, I think that part will be shot down.

As I see it, consumption is not forced. There are two actions to reception of communion:

(1) Physically receiving the host, either on the hand or on the tongue.
(2) Consumption of the host.

Number (1) is not required. However, by completing number (1), you in effect agree to perform (2). Physically receiving the host requires that you consume the host, however, if you do not wish to consume, you do not have to receive.