Eucharist Is Stolen

[BG45]

[url="http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=624E1C2F1D1C31C4844F65D2979273?contentId=6932236&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1"]Student who stole "religious icon" receives death threats.[/url]

A nitpick on the article is that the Eucharist is "symbolic".

Edited July 10, 2008 by BG45

[Nihil Obstat]

It's wonderful that this turned out mostly all right in the end... who knows, maybe he'll even be more strongly convinced of his 'beliefs'.
This could have been more serious though.
According to Fr. Gabriele Amorth, consecrated Eucharists are sometimes stolen (or God forbid given to them by seriously lapsed priests) and used in the Black Mass, which among [b]true[/b] Satanists climaxes with an obscene desecration of our Host in a vicious parody of our own mass.

Luckily this wasn't the case at all, thank God.
...but it happens.

[Vincent Vega]

It only figures that this happens when I'm 1000 miles away. Right as I'd just gotten my black BDUs with "Catholic Special Ops" embroidered upon them dry cleaned.

In all seriousness, thank Heaven Our Lord was recovered. I'll be praying for this fellow that he finds the Lord again.

[Aloysius]

the use of physical force was most definitely NOT wrong and this snot-nosed whiney kid just got his pride damaged when someone tried to pry it from him. I give him no great praise for returning it... it'd be like if someone who had stolen a priceless artifact from a museum returned it but left a note that said he wanted the police to understand that when they threatened him with pointed guns, it was wrong. there should have been an unequivocal apology.

[rhetoricfemme]

Out of curiosity, what will happen to the Eucharist he returned? It seems clear that he had it in his mouth. So what now?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='rhetoricfemme' post='1596770' date='Jul 10 2008, 12:35 AM']Out of curiosity, what will happen to the Eucharist he returned? It seems clear that he had it in his mouth. So what now?[/quote]
I would guess the priest has to consume it.
Would be kinda gross under normal circumstances, but since it's Jesus, I'm sure it's all right.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='kujo' post='1593231' date='Jul 6 2008, 10:19 PM']WWJD?[/quote]
got a little angry in the temple that one time. He'd knock some teeth if it came down to it.

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1596772' date='Jul 9 2008, 11:43 PM']I would guess the priest has to consume it.
Would be kinda gross under normal circumstances, but since it's Jesus, I'm sure it's all right. [/quote]

afaik you can dissolve it under water, and it ceases to be the Eucharist.

personally i don't think it's necessary to consume it when we are more knowledgeable about diseases, bacteria, and other harmful microbes in today's age.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='johnnydigit' post='1596807' date='Jul 10 2008, 01:26 AM']afaik you can dissolve it under water, and it ceases to be the Eucharist.

personally i don't think it's necessary to consume it when we are more knowledgeable about diseases, bacteria, and other harmful microbes in today's age.[/quote]

I think that's being a little bit germaphobic. In the 1962 Missal there is a document printed called "De Defectibus Occurantibus in Celebratione Missae" that is "On Defects Occuring in the Celebration of the Mass. It lines out everything a priest is to do if something goes wrong. When the Blessed Sacrament falls on the floor, the priest is to consume the Sacrament and perform the ablution where it fell. Pretty simple and still in force (cf. Summorum Pontificum Art. 1) for priests celebrating the Extraordinary Form. I'm sure the rules in the Ordinary Form are similar.

[Proud2BCatholic139]

"Jesus, I trust in You!"

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1596810' date='Jul 10 2008, 01:52 AM']I think that's being a little bit germaphobic. In the 1962 Missal there is a document printed called "De Defectibus Occurantibus in Celebratione Missae" that is "On Defects Occuring in the Celebration of the Mass. It lines out everything a priest is to do if something goes wrong. When the Blessed Sacrament falls on the floor, the priest is to consume the Sacrament and perform the ablution where it fell. Pretty simple and still in force (cf. Summorum Pontificum Art. 1) for priests celebrating the Extraordinary Form. I'm sure the rules in the Ordinary Form are similar.[/quote]

i definitely am a subscriber of the 3-second rule (or any amount of time if something dry hits the floor), but we're talking about someone's saliva in a bag for days. there's more than a few germs at that point. we're talking fungus cultures and funny smells. consider when the Precious Blood is spilled, i don't think we're obliged to lick it off the floor..

[johnnydigit]

"what if it was a priceless artifact" - never thought of it that way. that and "what if it was a real person kidnapped" really made me think about the sacredness of the Eucharist. imagine a kidnapping of the Pope.. no way, we aren't going to "relax".

[BG45]

[url="http://www.wftv.com/news/16872192/detail.html?taf=orlc"]http://www.wftv.com/news/16872192/detail.html?taf=orlc[/url]

He's now charging the Catholic group at the school under anti-hazing rules ('forced consumption") for trying to protect the Body of Christ. Also he's charging that they're in violation of laws about giving alcohol to minors for the minors who consume the Precious Blood.

He's also facing impeachmeant from his student government position. Also his story has inspired an Atheist professor at the University of Minnesota to desecrate the Eucharist and post pictures online at a later date apparently.

Edit: probably unrelated to Mr. Cook, but the hosts were stolen from the Tabernacle at a cathedral in Corpus Christi.
[url="http://www.caller.com/news/2008/jul/15/eucharist-taken-cathedral-tabernacle/"]http://www.caller.com/news/2008/jul/15/euc...ral-tabernacle/[/url]

Edited July 16, 2008 by BG45

[CatherineM]

You can't just dissolve the Eucharist in water, and have it go away. Sacristies have special sinks that all sacred vessels and purificators are cleaned in. Those sinks aren't connected to regular sewer systems. They go to a special kind of drainage field on the church grounds. If the church doesn't have one, things are cleaned in a stainless container, and the water is allowed to soak into the ground thereby being "buried." When a chalice is spilled, it has to be cleaned by soaking up with purificators, and then washing repeatedly with water, again soaking up with purificators until nothing is left.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='BG45' post='1600803' date='Jul 15 2008, 10:02 PM'][url="http://www.wftv.com/news/16872192/detail.html?taf=orlc"]http://www.wftv.com/news/16872192/detail.html?taf=orlc[/url]

He's now charging the Catholic group at the school under anti-hazing rules ('forced consumption") for trying to protect the Body of Christ. Also he's charging that they're in violation of laws about giving alcohol to minors for the minors who consume the Precious Blood.

He's also facing impeachmeant from his student government position. Also his story has inspired an Atheist professor at the University of Minnesota to desecrate the Eucharist and post pictures online at a later date apparently.

Edit: probably unrelated to Mr. Cook, but the hosts were stolen from the Tabernacle at a cathedral in Corpus Christi.
[url="http://www.caller.com/news/2008/jul/15/eucharist-taken-cathedral-tabernacle/"]http://www.caller.com/news/2008/jul/15/euc...ral-tabernacle/[/url][/quote]
I'm literally... like 99.999% sure that there are exemptions about Eucharistic wine and minors. Like I would be absolutely shocked if that's 'technically' illegal.
Forced consumption is a load of refuse. He's the one that chose to go to Mass, and the expectation at Mass is that if you take the Eucharist, you consume immediately.