foundsheep Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Actually , that would be gives with the Love of Christ in thier hearts. Maybe you need to pick up a bible and read some of Jesus 's parables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Actually , that would be gives with the Love of Christ in thier hearts Sure. But that would be someone who is Christian and realizes it. There's more to those who are christian and realize it. But these also fall only secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 that's what i don't get. my godmother and my priest can't get me into heaven, can they? Remember the man who was healed because his friends brought him to Jesus? It was because of their faith that he lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 dairy, you're down a dangerous slope of moral relativism... Christ's teachings were more than just giving, loving other's. His first commandment is to LOVE GOD with all your heart, mind, and soul. someone who loves and gives to their neighbor and is athiest is not Christian and doesn't realize it, they're plain non-Christian. Christ taught "He who rejects you (my apostles) rejects me"... i don't see anyone outside the Church being Christian in the fullest sense of the word. but they are Christian if they are baptized in the name of the Trinity and seek to love God above all things and love their neighbor as themselves. a full Christian accepts the Authority of the Apostles and thus more fully accepts Christ, in other words the universal Christianity that has gone to all nations since they were commisioned by Christ Preaching Holy Apostolic Truth and presenting the holy sacrifice of the MASS as they were commanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 (edited) His first commandment is to LOVE GOD with all your heart, mind, and soul. someone who loves and gives to their neighbor and is athiest is not Christian and doesn't realize it, they're plain non-Christian. I think what Jesus meant by God is at the least believing in something greater than yourself. So I'm not sure if I agree that the atheist who loves his neighbor doesn't love God as well because the term atheist here must mean someone who doesn't love the secular percieved concepts of God. He must be thankful for and therefore love some form of "God".. be it existence, life, love, etc... if he truly loves his neighbor. Also note that the bible says that "and the next one is like it" or something to that effect. That implys that if you truly love live/existence etc you'd love your neighbor too. It's like clarification man. Edited March 1, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Jesus was a devout Jew, when He talks about God He's talkin about the great Yahweh, the God of the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God who is His Dad, Abba. Jesus had no concept of believing in a "greater good" as God, and would consider believing in anything else than His Father as God idolatry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 (edited) .... Edited March 1, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Peeps need to start sourcing with scripture: Ill start: Matt ch.7 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?' 23 Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. 11 Depart from me, you evildoers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 2, 2004 Author Share Posted March 2, 2004 lol, hard word to define. Regenerated as in, their soul is in a state of saving grace. Ah brother... that is someone who is Catholic by desire because they believe that they are serving God the way God wants them to... God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 2, 2004 Author Share Posted March 2, 2004 that's what i don't get. my godmother and my priest can't get me into heaven, can they? Who said they could? The prayer of a rightous person is very powerful... at least that is what the Scriptures tell us... What gets us to Heaven is Christ. What helps us along our way are brothers, sisters, angels and the Saints in Christ. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXpenguin21 Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 You can be a christian and not even realize it. In the lowest sense a Christian is someone who "does unto others as they'd have them do unto them". In the most divine sense of that phrase I agree with Mother Teresa: I would add "gives with a charitable and honest heart" just to be clear. Other aspects of christianity fall only secondary. i agree. the statment wasn't ment to be doctrine, but it's still cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXpenguin21 Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Remember the man who was healed because his friends brought him to Jesus? It was because of their faith that he lives. why wouldn't he be healed if he stayed at home and had faith in Jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Who said they could? The prayer of a rightous person is very powerful... at least that is what the Scriptures tell us... What gets us to Heaven is Christ. What helps us along our way are brothers, sisters, angels and the Saints in Christ. God Bless, ironmonk it seems like Cmom said that: Somebody's faith . hopefully she can explain for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 Remember the man who was healed because his friends brought him to Jesus? It was because of their faith that he lives. Bro you know what I mean. Can my faith save my mother, for example, even if she rejects Christ? Does that count as "Somebody's faith"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 2, 2004 Author Share Posted March 2, 2004 Bro you know what I mean. Can my faith save my mother, for example, even if she rejects Christ? Does that count as "Somebody's faith"? We can only hope and pray that God will have mercy on our loved ones. For all we know, on their judgment day, they might have the chance to accept Christ. Study about St. Augustine, his mother prayed 16 years for him before he converted to Christianity. He became one of the greatest doctors of the Church. Everything happens in God's time... we must have patience. We must remember that God can move hearts... God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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