Lucy Lionheart Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 what does the church really say about babies who die before they get bapitized what about babies who died before they are suposed to be born so no one could bapitize them evn if they try do they really not go to heaven someone told me that they do not because its in baltmor catecism but someone told me that the church never said officallilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 This is what the catechism says: Para. 1281: Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, can be saved even if they have not been baptized (cf. LG 16). Para. 1261: As regards [i]children who have died without Baptism[/i], the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them" (Mk 10:14; cf. 1 Tim 2:4), allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. You can access the entire catechism at [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/[/url] I love it cuz I can have my book and easy access online too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 This is what the catechism says: Para. 1281: Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, can be saved even if they have not been baptized (cf. LG 16). Para. 1261: As regards [i]children who have died without Baptism[/i], the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them" (Mk 10:14; cf. 1 Tim 2:4), allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. You can access the entire catechism at [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/[/url] I love it cuz I can have my book and easy access online too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Lionheart Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 that is confuzing what does it mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 It means we believe that God will accept babies into heaven that die before birth or die before baptism. It also means that those who are in classes to become baptized and confirmed or who fight for Christ, even though not baptized, will go to heaven. If of course they aren't super evil sinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Lionheart Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 but what about people who say that they dont go to heaven they are only happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckllnknny Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1582798' date='Jun 25 2008, 10:35 AM']It means we believe that God will accept babies into heaven that die before birth or die before baptism. It also means that those who are in classes to become baptized and confirmed or who fight for Christ, even though not baptized, will go to heaven. If of course they aren't super evil sinners.[/quote] what is it called, i forgot. baptism by desire??? (seriously, i thought it was called something.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 [quote name='Lucy Lionheart' post='1582805' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:37 AM']but what about people who say that they dont go to heaven they are only happy[/quote] That's probably limbo they're talking about, which I think the Church officially abandoned a few years ago. It was only theory to explain how God could be both just and merciful to an unbaptized child. We can't say for sure that anyone goes to Heaven besides canonized saints. All we can do is pray for them and leave them to God's mercy, which gives us very good reason to believe they do go to Heaven. [quote name='rckllnknny' post='1582812' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:44 AM']what is it called, i forgot. baptism by desire??? (seriously, i thought it was called something.)[/quote] Yes, it's Baptism by Desire. Baptism by Blood is for unbaptized martyrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=80284d"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=80284d[/url] From this thread, there are different Catholic views that are permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Lionheart Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 so its ok by the church to tell people that those babies don't really go to heaven that seems mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 The Catholic Church does not say that babies who die prior to baptism do not go to heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Lionheart Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 it dosn't say it but it lets people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 [i]I guess one can only have faith in God that he will accept the babies. I have complete faith in that based on Word. It certainly isn't something to dwell on, you can only pray for the babies that are lost before birth or before baptism. [/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 [quote name='Lucy Lionheart' post='1582837' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:17 AM']it dosn't say it but it lets people[/quote] The Church doesn't have control over every mouth that speaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy Lionheart Posted June 25, 2008 Author Share Posted June 25, 2008 you mite not want to dwell on it but other people want to know im guess the church lets some people be mean and say that babies who die befor baptisism are not in heaven the church dosn't really say enything so mean people can say what they want and not be told they are wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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