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[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1583511' date='Jun 26 2008, 12:58 AM']Now this is funny:

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lawl! That was bordering blasphemous!

Oh well. Il Papa is working to change the course of things goin that way...

[Socrates]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1583416' date='Jun 25 2008, 10:45 PM']it wasn't just a slam on liberal catholics tho... in some areas it slammed Catholics inline with Church teaching:
pretty lame[/quote]


[quote name='Lisieux Flower' post='1583477' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:29 PM']I don't think that fact that it's talking about "the spirit of Vatican II" instead of Vatican II council is very clearly stated.

CHANGE: Mandated by the Second Vatican Council; must be open to all change unless instituted recently; see WE HAVE NO RIGHT ANSWERS.

How did you interpret the "Spirit of Vatican II" from this definition?[/quote]
You guys need to read the whole thing.
This is a humor piece lampooning "liberal Catholicism," and the stuff about Vatican II getting rid of all rules was tongue-in-cheek sarcasm - mocking the way liberals frequently make such absurd claims about the Council to justify whatever heterodox mischief they are advocating.
Such ludicrous claims as "Vatican II abolished Latin in the liturgy," and "Vatican II changed the Church from a monarchy to a democracy" are extremely commonplace.
This would be familiar to the readers of [i]Fidelity[/i] magazine.

Note the following:
[quote]SPIRIT OF VATICAN II: Church activities and programs [b]which have absolutely no relationship to the letter of the documents of Vatican II.[/b]

PRE‑VATICAN II: A person who accepts at face value the teaching of the Church and [b]who reads the documents of the Second Vatican Council without reference to a commentary.[/b][/quote]
Clearly, the author sees the liberal claims about Vatican II as pure nonsense, unrelated to what the council actually said.
While I don't normally read [i]Fidelity[/i] magazine (I think it no longer exists), from what I recall, while very conservative (and sometimes a bit nutty), it was [b]not[/b] a schismatic, "rad-trad" publication regarding Vatican II as illegitimate, etc.

I think where the author is coming from in his humor would be obvious to the intended audience - the readers of [i]Fidelity[/i] magazine (and was obvious to me as a conservative orthodox Catholic, who knows exactly what is being parodied here) - as it was orignally published in a particular magazine with a particular view, not just spread over the internet out of context.

[Didymus]

i do actually know what's being parodied here... i just think it's overused 'humor'...

[Socrates]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1583407' date='Jun 25 2008, 10:37 PM']Actually black and white thinking is one of many cognitive distortions that has little to do with right and wrong, but has to do with extremism.



It's okay though, you're not the first to make that mistake. [/quote]


[quote name='Alycin' post='1583460' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:20 PM']Thanks. I understand that people get it confused a lot. I don't expect people to know things that I learned through independent study. Most people have very little knowledge of cognitive distortions unless psychology is their field of study, or they learned about it in therapy.[/quote]
COGNITIVE DISTORTION: mental disorder which leads one to disagree with a sensitive, compassionate liberal (see BLACK AND WHITE THINKING)
It can only be cured by intensive CONSCIOUSNESS RAISING sessions in SENSITIVITY WORKSHOPS.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1584287' date='Jun 26 2008, 08:05 PM']i do actually know what's being parodied here... i just think it's overused 'humor'...[/quote]
But it doesn't actually slam orthodox Catholics or the Council itself, as you accused it. The Vatican II remarks were tongue-in-cheek lampooning.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1584287' date='Jun 26 2008, 09:05 PM']i do actually know what's being parodied here... i just think it's overused 'humor'...[/quote]

To be fair, the article was written like 20 years ago.. lol.

[kujo]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1584305' date='Jun 26 2008, 10:12 PM']But it doesn't actually slam orthodox Catholics or the Council itself, as you accused it. The Vatican II remarks were tongue-in-cheek lampooning.[/quote]

I think most of us "understand" the article but just don't find its tone to be particularly uplifting and befitting such orthodox, conservative Catholics such as yourself.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1584296' date='Jun 26 2008, 09:08 PM']COGNITIVE DISTORTION: mental disorder which leads one to disagree with a sensitive, compassionate liberal (see BLACK AND WHITE THINKING)
It can only be cured by intensive CONSCIOUSNESS RAISING sessions in SENSITIVITY WORKSHOPS.[/quote]

Cognitive distortions are not mental disorders.

You know, you might actually be funny if it weren't for the fact that you are using terms incorrectly over and over again. You usually take such great care in at least appearing to be educated. What happened?

[Galloglasses]

I'm not even a seminarian and this is hilarious XD

[kujo]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1584316' date='Jun 26 2008, 10:18 PM']Cognitive distortions are not mental disorders.

You know, you might actually be funny if it weren't for the fact that you are using terms incorrectly over and over again. You usually take such great care in at least appearing to be educated. What happened? [/quote]

Burn!!!!

[Socrates]

[quote name='kujo' post='1584311' date='Jun 26 2008, 08:15 PM']I think most of us "understand" the article but just don't find its tone to be particularly uplifting and befitting such orthodox, conservative Catholics such as yourself.[/quote]
I thought it was funny - either you find it funny or you don't.
I do think some people need to lighten up. Personally, I think that joking about one's opponents can be better than just throwing fits of rage and cursing, as liberal Catholics would tempt one to do.

[Adrestia]

It was funny.