Homeschooling Illegal In California - Fight Is Still On

[Aloysius]

[quote]you go to a homeschool group with 50 other families

you don't want to think that atleast one of thos famlies is doing really bad things

but i gurentee you enythin they are atlest one family or even more[/quote]

... you go to a PTA meeting

you don't want to think that at least one of the parents there is doing really bad things

but i guarentee you that it is just as likely there is someone there doing bad things as that there might be someone in the homeschooling group doing bad things.

[Lucy Lionheart]

in PTA meetings things are disgussed tho

people are aware of issues

everywhere you go in public school there is awareneess

if you mention the word abuse in a group of homeschoolers they practically will scratch your eyes out

thats the problem i am talking about

homeschoolers will loose ther rights if they don't start making sure they aren't supporting something bad

[Lucy Lionheart]

plus, ive seen homeschool cults

yes like the whole cult in texas

they are around more than you think and they arent poligimist but they do awful stuff...child brides who have sex with old guys and all that

they are the fringe groups the homeschoolers say don't represent them

but those groups exist

[Alycin]

Lucy, I really really don't think cults and homeschooling have any correlation at all. If you are going to make crazy claims you need to link to sources.

[Lisieux Flower]

[quote name='Lucy Lionheart' post='1583398' date='Jun 25 2008, 10:26 PM']plus, ive seen homeschool cults

yes like the whole cult in texas

they are around more than you think and they arent poligimist but they do awful stuff...child brides who have sex with old guys and all that

they are the fringe groups the homeschoolers say don't represent them

but those groups exist[/quote]

How have you seen homeschool cults in Texas if you've been homeschooled in Oregon for many, many years and have had very little socialization?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Lucy Lionheart' post='1583398' date='Jun 25 2008, 10:26 PM']plus, ive seen homeschool cults

yes like the whole cult in texas

they are around more than you think and they arent poligimist but they do awful stuff...child brides who have sex with old guys and all that

they are the fringe groups the homeschoolers say don't represent them

but those groups exist[/quote]
Cults are going to exist regardless. If this is an accurate case, I'd say it's only convenient that they happened to homeschool their kids.
I've decided to mostly agree with everyone I was debating with yesterday.

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1582166' date='Jun 24 2008, 06:35 PM']But see, it's not the school's responsibility or business to do so. Does the grocery store come to your house to make sure you are eating healthy meals? Parents are responsible to educate their children. Public school is one option-- one tool-- that a family might choose in order to do so.

The problem with requiring parents to pass a test in all subjects to make sure that they know their kids' curriculum is that they may not be the only ones teaching them. For example, there are online classes and tutoring classes. Do I have to pass a test to "teach" those when I am not actually teaching them?

Many states already require annual standardized testing for HSers. (our public schoolers take tests in 3, 6, and 9th grades or something like that). We test every year. We are well aware of our children's weaknesses and strengths.

Believe it or not, 99% of homeschoolers really, really want to give their children a good education. They (well, I guess, we) research curricula, co-ops and other resources and find ways to overcome our own academic weaknesses. Most of us don't stop teaching math because it becomes too difficult-- we find other ways to teach it (the public schools don't change curriculum to meet that need).

I won't even address the mythical socialization issue, because it's a non-issue.[/quote]


[quote name='picchick' post='1582389' date='Jun 24 2008, 09:02 PM']No way!

The problem with this is the fact that the find "abuse" where there is no abuse. In homeschool legal defense magazine, there are a bunch of cases where the state tries to interfere with a family's schooling where they have no right to do so. Sometimes a social worker will show up at a house and demand to speak to the children. I am totally against any government interference in schooling at all.

What I am finding in Public schools today is that they teach to the standardized tests. The beauty of homeschooling is the fact that the curriculum is tailored for the child and not the state. The child learns at his/her pace rather than the pace of what the state says it should be.

I believe that it is against the right to privacy for a school official to "check-in". They have no right to do so. It leaves the door open for them to find "problems". Leave homeschooling families alone. It is not the government's job or responsibility to check in on families to make sure that they are "up to par". It is unfortunate that some families are "bad" homeschoolers. Hopefully the homeschoolers who are doing it right can set an example.

Meg[/quote]
to both above posts

[picchick]

[quote name='Lucy Lionheart' post='1583397' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:24 PM']in PTA meetings things are disgussed tho

people are aware of issues

everywhere you go in public school there is awareneess

if you mention the word abuse in a group of homeschoolers they practically will scratch your eyes out

thats the problem i am talking about

homeschoolers will loose ther rights if they don't start making sure they aren't supporting something bad[/quote]

In my opinion, if you are coming from an isolated position, this is a very narrow minded position.

I have been to PTA meetings. It is not a place where things are discussed for children's advantage. It is more for the school to put out what they are doing within the school or events surrounding the school. And I bet that the families who neglect their children or abuse their children will not show up to a PTA meeting.

We are beginning to already lose our rights out of the ignorance of people.

[quote name='Lisieux Flower' post='1583409' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:38 PM']How have you seen homeschool cults in Texas if you've been homeschooled in Oregon for many, many years and have had very little socialization?[/quote]

Exactly. Thank you.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1583420' date='Jun 25 2008, 10:47 PM']+J.M.J.+
to both above posts[/quote]
I've been quite perfectly convinced.

[picchick]

[quote name='Paladin D' post='1583186' date='Jun 25 2008, 05:30 PM']Yeah, who would've thought. I scored high on the ASVAB, passed the medical just swell, and not a single bit of criminal history (not even a speeding ticket). And somehow I cannot get in, because I need a GED or 15 college credits, despite having a valid High School (Homeschooled) diploma.

They're approving people who have [b]FELONY RECORDS[/b], and barely have a GED, yet I can't get in.[/quote]



I would keep trying. Right now I am disqualified from the Air Force for medical reasons and I am trying to work through it. Prayers for you. Just don't give up. Keep working at it.

[Lucy Lionheart]

i see them because of homeschool meetins along time ago when i was young and cause of stories that my brothers would tell me about before they all hated me

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Lucy Lionheart' post='1583398' date='Jun 25 2008, 11:26 PM']plus, ive seen homeschool cults

yes like the whole cult in texas

they are around more than you think and they arent poligimist but they do awful stuff...child brides who have sex with old guys and all that

they are the fringe groups the homeschoolers say don't represent them

but those groups exist[/quote]


Okay... If you are talking about the FLDS (polygamous Mormons) in their compound in Texas... the one that was raided last spring, that was not a "homeschool cult." That was/is a cult that homeschools. Prior to their moving from Colorado City, AZ to Eldorado, TX, all of their children were in privately run schools. It was not a "private school cult." Prior to that, they were in the public schools in Colorado City (albeit they were predominantly FLDS). That was not then a "public school cult."

The fact that cults use homeschooling as a method of keeping their children out of the mainstream does not mean that mainstream homeschoolers should have tougher regulations thrust upon them.

[catholicinsd]

Ok, what's PicChick's question?

[picchick]

My question was why it was such a great disservice for parents to homeschool through highschool. You said it was the culture shock. My question is: "Won't they get culture shock in the highschool setting?"

If you review over the developmental stage of high school students, you will find that they are going through one of the hardest times of their life. They are changing and trying to find their niche with their friends. They are trying to live up to their peer's view of them and gain their approval. Being homeschooled during high school is better considering that the children will be taught the moral way of the world rather than an indifferent way. In highschool, children need to be given their wings to fly but they need guidelines to fly by. Highschools do not do that. They are indifferent to morals and standards and give options that highschoolers cannot handle emotionally and mentally at that time.

Meg

[catholicinsd]

In college, where you live far from home, it would be very difficult for a person, not used to the traditional school setting to adjust.