Homeschooling Illegal In California - Fight Is Still On

[Aloysius]

the thread's about California

[prose]

From what I understand, homeschool IS an option. They just want to ensure that parents have some sort of teaching certification.

Now, I understand most women can't go out and get an education degree, but maybe the thing that should be targeted is how to get mother's the opportunity to get some sort of legal certification.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1580584' date='Jun 23 2008, 04:20 PM']

Sweet! More government regulation!

[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
YES!

[Lisieux Flower]

[quote name='prose' post='1581471' date='Jun 24 2008, 12:06 PM']From what I understand, homeschool IS an option. They just want to ensure that parents have some sort of teaching certification.

Now, I understand most women can't go out and get an education degree, but maybe the thing that should be targeted is how to get mother's the opportunity to get some sort of legal certification.[/quote]

how easy would it be for parents to become certified teachers if its taking me 4 years to do it? also its not cheap to keep your teaching certification. one of my professors taught in california and she said it was something like $400 a year to stay certified

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='prose' post='1581471' date='Jun 24 2008, 06:06 PM']From what I understand, homeschool IS an option. They just want to ensure that parents have some sort of teaching certification.

Now, I understand most women can't go out and get an education degree, but maybe the thing that should be targeted is how to get mother's the opportunity to get some sort of legal certification.[/quote]
Maybe they could offer the same sort of alternative certification programme to parents who want to homeschool as those coming into teaching without an education degree? With the programme in FL, you teach at the same time as taking a class and creating an education portfolio, under the supervision of a mentor, and you have 3 years to complete it. They could perhaps do something like that, so the parent could show that they are capable of teaching. Perhaps not the ideal, but it would allow more to homeschool. (and these programmes are sometimes partially or wholly subsidized as well).

[prose]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1581507' date='Jun 24 2008, 12:44 PM']Maybe they could offer the same sort of alternative certification programme to parents who want to homeschool as those coming into teaching without an education degree? With the programme in FL, you teach at the same time as taking a class and creating an education portfolio, under the supervision of a mentor, and you have 3 years to complete it. They could perhaps do something like that, so the parent could show that they are capable of teaching. Perhaps not the ideal, but it would allow more to homeschool. (and these programmes are sometimes partially or wholly subsidized as well).[/quote]

This is what I think too.

I mean, obviously it is unreasonable to ask someone to complete a 4 year degree, but that sort of education is not needed for homeschooling. Perhaps if there was some sort of reasonable process, that would be a key factor.

Let's face it. I know many great homschool parents, but I also know some that are trying to homeschool, but are completely unprepared, and un -qualified. One woman I know simply stopped teaching her daughter math because she thought it was too difficult. I realize that this is the exception, and not the norm, but a check system like this would prevent that.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='prose' post='1581514' date='Jun 24 2008, 06:53 PM']This is what I think too.

I mean, obviously it is unreasonable to ask someone to complete a 4 year degree, but that sort of education is not needed for homeschooling. Perhaps if there was some sort of reasonable process, that would be a key factor.

Let's face it. I know many great homschool parents, but I also know some that are trying to homeschool, but are completely unprepared, and un -qualified. One woman I know simply stopped teaching her daughter math because she thought it was too difficult. I realize that this is the exception, and not the norm, but a check system like this would prevent that.[/quote]
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've heard of both good & bad homeschool parents, too.

[catholicinsd]

Homeschooling in the high school years is perhaps the worst a parent could do.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1581541' date='Jun 24 2008, 07:29 PM']Homeschooling in the high school years is perhaps the worst a parent could do.[/quote]
It really depends on the parent & the teen in question. My aunt did/does a great job with homeschooling, and her youngest is in high school. But not everyone could do that, to be sure.

[catholicinsd]

Well if you send your kid off to college after 13, 14 years of homeschoolings it would be a very bad cultureschock for them.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1581552' date='Jun 24 2008, 02:37 PM']Well if you send your kid off to college after 13, 14 years of homeschoolings it would be a very bad cultureschock for them.[/quote]

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1581552' date='Jun 24 2008, 07:37 PM']Well if you send your kid off to college after 13, 14 years of homeschoolings it would be a very bad cultureschock for them.[/quote]
Again, not necessarily. Being homeschooled does not equal being sheltered. My cousins have done very well going on to college after being homeschooled. I do not doubt that there are those who are quite sheltered and have a hard time adjusting to college afterwards (went to college with someone like that), but it is not a universal phenomenon.

Though to be honest, going to college can be a culture shock for anyone, even one with a public school education, depending on the student and the university.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1581565' date='Jun 24 2008, 01:47 PM']Again, not necessarily. Being homeschooled does not equal being sheltered. My cousins have done very well going on to college after being homeschooled. I do not doubt that there are those who are quite sheltered and have a hard time adjusting to college afterwards (went to college with someone like that), but it is not a universal phenomenon.

Though to be honest, going to college can be a culture shock for anyone, even one with a public school education, depending on the student and the university.[/quote]
I've actually heard that class and grade-wise, homeschoolers have been shown to do better, because they are used to teaching themselves and know where to look when they don't understand, whereas a lot of "regular" school kids are used to the teacher telling them what they need to know.

I've also known kids who went to "regular" school and were in culture shock at college, and I go to a small, semi-conservative college in the middle of nowhere!

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1581697' date='Jun 24 2008, 09:56 PM']I've actually heard that class and grade-wise, homeschoolers have been shown to do better, because they are used to teaching themselves and know where to look when they don't understand, whereas a lot of "regular" school kids are used to the teacher telling them what they need to know.

I've also known kids who went to "regular" school and were in culture shock at college, and I go to a small, semi-conservative college in the middle of nowhere![/quote]
I've heard that, too. It really is an important skill to be able to look up the info yourself, do the reading and learn it on your own, etc.

[Didymus]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1581541' date='Jun 24 2008, 02:29 PM']Homeschooling in the high school years is perhaps the worst a parent could do.[/quote]

guess that means my parents have done the worst thing they could do to me... and I always thought I made pretty good arguments against all the folks on here with "real" educations...

thanks for your arrogance. Not that you'll actually respond to this post, or even bother to read through it. You'll probably just look for the next possible one that you could whine at without reason, just to shame the ideologies of the left, many of which are pretty shameful enough in this day and age without help from those like yourself...